From: Loren <lorenp@aros.net>
To: Sterling D. Allan's friends <SDA_friends@listbot.com>
Date: Sunday, October 31, 1999 5:09 AM
Subject: Re: Pres. Hinckley
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As a lurker on this email list, thought I would give a different perspective. I
have heard less than full devotion to Pres. Hinckley with even some indirect or even
direct implications that he is the anti-Christ or the man of evil to be revealed in the
last days. While I have to admit that I feel a kind of "all's well in
Zion" sense from him at times, he is hardly the anti-Christ. I had the
opportunity to hear him speak when Janet Reno was guest at the Freedom Festival. He
didn't mince words about the wickedness in our country and that we had forgotten God. This
was not a man trying to please the NWO or anybody else other than the Lord. My first
exposure to him came when I was in the LTM and his son, Clark was my Spanish
teacher. Clark had just returned from Spain where he had opened the country to the
gospel, having transferred there from Argentina. Clark was an average kind of RM but
he seemed to me to be full of a love of the gospel with a high degree of devotion.
He didn't talk about his dad much at that time. After returning from my
mission, I got a seasonal Christmas job with Deseret Book and was able to deliver gifts
all over the valley, many to general authorities. One of the people on my list was
Pres. Hinckley and I remember going up to his house and noticing how modest and humble it
was. His wife answered the door and she was very sweet and appreciative of my coming to
their house. Many years later, I was able to attend a fireside where Clark
Hinckley spoke about his dad. One of the many things he said about his dad was that
he was a real tightwad. Very conservative financially. He fixed everything himself
and never hired a handyman. He said that his dad always looked for bargains and one
time bought a kitchen sink on sale with the idea of using it when he remodeled their
kitchen. It sat in their garage for years until he finally got around to using
it. I don't know about you, but this just doesn't seem like a man who is
ostentatious and likes to be showy with the church's money. I believe for him to
spend the millions on the new conference arena had to be because of
inspiration. He has made many comments about the extreme care he takes
with the widow's mite and he is very sensitive to the sacrifice being made by impoverished
members in other countries. Pres. Hinckley revels in his pioneer ancestry and loves
to talk about their sacred sacrifices. He is grounded in that pioneer ancestry and I
believe that also grounds him with the Lord. While I may not be as moved by him as I am by
Pres. Benson, I believe he is the Lord's anointed as was Pres. Benson. I know these
comments are not what most of this list wants to hear but hopefully you are honest in
heart enough to consider them as possibly being true.
Loren
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 07:06:36 -0500
From: Steven Montgomery <graymada@123inter.net>
Subject: Re: Pres. Hinckley
I will second everything that Loren said concerning Gordon B. Hinckley as a man of God.
Steven Montgomery
From: Sterling D. Allan <sterlingda@greaterthings.com>
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Date: Sunday, October 31, 1999 8:14 AM
Subject: {888} Pres. Hinkley and II Thes. 2
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Loren,
Thanks for sharing your thoughts about President Hinckley.
First let me share in your positive review of President Hinckley. I too have been
very impressed with him as a man and as a leader in the LDS Church. There are many
attributes he possesses which are highly commendable. His stamina is astonishing for
one his age. At 90 he has the vigor of a 70-year-old.
I'm going to be attending my paternal grandmother's funeral tomorrow, with a viewing
this evening. She is but four months different in age, but what a difference in
vigor.
While I honor my grandmother for the many wonderful things she did for her family and
for me, her life and accomplishments are incomparable to those of President Gordon B.
Hinckley's. While she was watching soap operas each afternoon, President Hinckley
was traveling the globe dedicating temples, speaking to saints, writing talks, giving
interviews, fully devoting his energies to the cause of the Church of Jesus Christ of
Latter-day Saints.
As for his messages, I too have been blessed greatly by his counsel. My spiritual
awaking to the garbage on Television and in Movies and in songs and such comes in part
because of a talk I read of his while on my mission to Japan in 1983.
He does inspire faith. He does bear witness of Jesus Christ and point people
toward our Savior. He does warn about various pitfalls in society, such as
pornography, abuse, unrighteous dominion of husbands, the evils of alcohol and tobacco,
dangers of unbridled passions.
Furthermore, he has been valiant in helping to spread the Book of Mormon to the ends of
the earth, opening up countries and being a fundamental part of sending out hundreds of
thousands of missionaries (probably approaching one million through the duration of his
leadership from the time of being called as an apostle).
Yes indeed, in many regards he is a wonderful earthly captain of the Church.
I take my hat off to him and salute him for his vigor, his courage, his wit, his charm,
his enormous talent, as well as his humanness that is endearing.
So considering all of this, why would I write what I wrote in the "Man of Sin
Revealed"?
www.greaterthings.com/Books/ManofSin/
Yes, in that document I assert with many different evidences that President Gordon B.
Hinckley is lined up to fulfill the prophecy spoken of in II Thessalonians 2 about the man
of sin, the son of perdition, sitting in the temple of God, saying he is God, and Christ
allowing him to do so, until he is revealed and removed.
How could I make such an assertion about a man of such valor as President Gordon B.
Hinckley?
It boils down to this one thing. The word "hinder," which is right next
to "Hinckley" alphabetically spelled in English.
Recently I sent a post in reply to a wonderful treaties by Lynn Ridenhour about how the
error of Saul, though the Lord's anointed, was to hinder David and his outcasts,
persecuting them when he should have rejoiced to have such a valiant and faithful
successor in the wings.
Though he has so many wonderful qualities, President Hinckley has indeed stood as an
impediment to the zealous warriors in Zion. Rather than succoring them and lifting
them up, he has excommunicated them. (Yes it is the Stake Presidents and Bishops who
do the actual deed, but he has upheld the decisions as appeals have been made; and I would
not be surprised that some cases are instigated in Salt Lake headquarters, not locally as
the priesthood manual dictates.)
It is the story of the kingmen in the book of Alma. Those who are in the trenches
fighting most valiantly for Zion and against Satan's New World Order are being hindered by
the Church rather than helped.
Even on a spiritual playing field, those who are advancing in the gifts of the Spirit
very often find themselves persecuted by the Church rather than honored and facilitated in
the ministry God has given to them.
Contrast this with Jesus Christ, the Savior of mankind, who said, "greater things
than these shall ye do." He wasn't threatened by the idea that others could
surpass him.
In my excommunication hearing, for example, the high counselors who sat to judge my
case were completely aghast that I could even come close to thinking that I might have
something more important to say than what the Brethren in Salt Lake had to say.
(Regarding my attempt to reach the podium during Oct. 1992 general conference. The
talk I had prepared to give is posted at
www.greaterthings.com/Essays/TALK-Law&Word.htm
)
The talk turns out to be chuck full of prophetic/polemical chiasms and parallels (also
posted to the site).
Others have experiences similar to mine that they could share.
President Hinckley and his associates were ordained to prepare the bride for the
bridegroom, not to take His place in the eyes of the people.
Hence they seek to take the kingdom of our God and his Christ. Hence they serve
the role of a son of perdition.
Its the same thing the Jewish leaders did, except today's leaders have greater
accountability -- more light and knowledge than had the Jews against which to sin.
Matthew 21 and the Joseph Smith Translation elaboration of 10 additional verses shows
very clearly that the Gentile husbandmen are prophesied to do the same thing the Jewish
husbandmen did. It is all part of the great and marvelous work of the Lord. The
strange act. The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the headstone of
their corner. This is the Lord's doing and it is marvelous in our eyes.
"Wherefore whosoever [the Jews] shall fall on this stone [Jesus Christ] shall be
broken, but on whomsoever [Gentiles] it [Davidic Servant Messianic ministry of the Father]
shall fall, shall be ground to powder [Gentiles trodden under feet by the
not-yet-converted Israel remnant armies such as Russia, China, South American Marxists,
etc; "behold I am he that doeth it," the Lord says in III Ne. 20]"
The Jews' crucifixion of the Savior served the Lord's eternal purposes. So too
will the Mormon's marring of the Davidic servant serve the Lord's eternal purposes.
After the treading down will come a miraculous deliverance of a remnant by the power of
God, with his people literally walking through the fires which the enemy unleashes on them
only to destroy themselves. This purified remnant then goes to the center place of
Zion at which point they will have their Pentecost-parallel (but on the next quantum
level) Adam On Diaman conference. From there the 144,000 high priest ordained by
angels go forth to the nations of the earth gathering as many as will to the church of the
firstborn -- heaven on earth.
The stone which was rejected will become the headstone of their corner, first by the
remnant in the center place of Zion and then by the Jews in Jerusalem.
The first shall be last and the last shall be first.
So yes, I believe Gordon B. Hinckley is a very wonderful man. That is what makes
the strong delusion all the stronger. In this day that we all are to become
prophets, it is so easy to believe the lie set forth in Mormon tradition to look to just
one man as the prophet -- thus hindering us in our progression. Those who do come
out of her and become prophets are the remnant who will redeem Zion. And the
persecution they receive at the hand of the Saul ministry of the current leadership will
only help to strengthen them in their faith and courage to do a mighty work for the Lord.
Sincerely,
Sterling D. Allan
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From: Sterling D. Allan <sterlingda@greaterthings.com>
To: Sterling D. Allan's friends <SDA_friends@listbot.com>;
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Date: Sunday, October 31, 1999 1:25 PM
Subject: Re: {888} Pres. Hinkley and II Thes. 2 (part II)
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SUBJECT: Pres. Hinkley and II Thes. 2 (part II)
Loren,
You are perplexed as to how such a good man as President Hinckley (or anyone else)
could ever become a son of perdition.
You are right as to the degree of knowledge or accountability that is prerequisite to
even being able to become a son of perdition. Doesn't that tell you right there that
II Thes. 2 will be fulfilled by someone of renowned stature, at least with the Lord?
They will have to have advanced very far spiritually in order to even qualify to become a
son of perdition by turning from that.
Furthermore, the fact that such a person will be enable to sit in the temple and have
an audience (without security guards whisking them immediately away) tells you that it
will transpire with the sanction or approval of the heads of the church, which bespeaks of
strong delusion on the part of many -- which is precisely the language used in II Thes. 2.
In other words, it's not just President Hinckley. It's not just his
counselors. The scenario unfolds because of a widespread delusion that has come upon
the people, with the occasional exception from the least to the greatest who see what is
happening but are often silenced as to speaking of it. Those who are in and see
don't say anything, lest they be exed. Those who see and speak their minds are put
out. No one in the mainstream listens to someone who has been exed.
Isaiah uses the phrase "drunkards of Ephraim." They don't have their
wits about them. They are in a state of stupor.
Folly is one thing, and I think you will agree with me thus far. But what you are
struggling with is the degree of falling that qualifies one as a son of perdition.
To address this, let me call to your mind the seriousness of supporting the New World
Order and the Satanic Beast that it is. Socialism, as President Benson reminded the
saints so often, is Satan's plan on earth that he presented in the premortal
counsels. Same method: force; same line: "no one will be lost;" same
demands, "give me the glory."
The New world order accomplishes their aims through the power of government rather than
through the power of individual good will or agency. They speak of the safety net
that will take care of everyone. And they take the credit for their accomplishments,
ascribing it to the great brawn and intelligence of ultrasmart men (and women).
Furthermore, in their secret chambers, those in the highest degrees of their brotherhood
actually make pacts with Lucifer and claim him to be the supreme God and Christ to be the
usurper.
It really is a repeat of the war in heaven. The armies of Christ and freedom that
flows from the heart changed by God versus the forces of Satan and his compulsory methods
of imposing change from without.
John the Revelator tells us in no uncertain terms that to align oneself with this beast
is to become aligned with Satan and to lose one's salvation -- to burn in hell, basically.
This is very serious business.
And what do you hear over the pulpit by way of admonitions or warnings about this?
Nothing.
Not only are there an absence of warnings, but there is a culture of implicit
persecution against the patriots who are standing up for freedom.
A little bit of conservative is okay and even good. But to start talking about
secret combinations or conspiracies and satanic socialist world government is to
immediately put oneself out of sorts with the mainstream body of the church and of the
brethren.
At a funeral for my paternal grandfather several years back, I engaged in a lengthy
discussion with Jeanette Hales Beckham (General Young Women's board?) who is my Dad's
cousin. We had a knock-em-out, drag-em-out debate about whether or not Ezra Taft
Benson was speaking for the Lord when he warned against the evils of socialism.
Her main contention was that she rubs shoulders with the brethren on a regular basis
and she just did not see anyone other than Ezra Taft Benson speaking or worrying about
these things. Yes, he happened to be the President of the Church at the time, but he
wasn't really speaking like he used to on the subject (not necessarily true, as I have
documented that in each general conference that he spoke at during the time he was
president of the church he made at least one reference to the Constitution and to secret
combinations that threaten it).
Though I was advocating the position that Ezra Taft Benson had so firmly taken, I was
wrong because the overwhelming majority of the brethren as a whole just simply did not
believe this stuff.
It's not like she was naive on the matter. She was a representative in Utah
State's legislature at the time. I ended up running for the seat she was vacating.
I have great admiration and love for Jeanette Hales Beckham. Her talks in General
Conference are usually exceptional. I expect that I will be seeing her tomorrow at
my grandmother's funeral, and we will greet each other sincerely and cordially.
However, she, like the whole slew (for the most part) of leaders at the helm of this
church, is in a state of delusion when it comes to the dire situation that faces us
because we have allowed this secret combination to get above us -- and have persecuted
those who have tried to point this out.
Another experience I had around this time was with Stan Taylor, Political Science
Department head at BYU. In his required course for all Poly Sci majors, he would
methodically debunk Skousen's "Naked Communist" and Gary Allen's "None Dare
Call it Conspiracy" -- both of which were endorsed by ETB over the pulpit in
Priesthood sessions of General Conference several years back.
He said something similar to Jeannette, namely that he is tight with the brethren and
knows their beliefs on this matter, and they certainly do not jibe with President Benson's
views. He also boasted that he sat on the committee to determine the Church's stance
toward communist and socialist countries. "No wonder," I thought to
myself, as I saw sitting in front of me a wolf in sheep's clothing. He had
penetrated the highest circles of the church with his New World Order-favorable views.
My ex-brother-in-law worked for Stan Taylor (and was a disciple of his) and said that
Dr. Taylor was a staunch advocate for the New World Order.
I don't know what church position he holds now, but back then he was a stake president
at BYU, molding and shaping the young minds and future leadership of the church as well as
his associates at the university.
No wonder we have people like Brent Scowcroft speaking at BYU commencement exercises in
1992. He is the son-in-law (or nephew?) of Gordon B. Hinckley. New World Order
Brent Scowcroft, who went on boat rides with President New World Order George Bush to
teach him what to say during the Gulf War.
Fourteen times he mentioned New World Order in the course of his speech at BYU
commencement.
So now tell me. Is the New World Order a benign push for unity among nations, or
is it the drive toward world socialist government -- the kingdom of Satan built up on the
earth.
Who is the apostate? Me for pointing these things out, hence being exed, or my
stake president for saying I shouldn't pay so much attention to Ezra Taft Benson because
he has been unduly influenced by his son Reed, who was a member of the John Birch
Society. (This was what my Stake President was told to tell me by the General
Authority who was coaching him along in my case.)
My response to this was to turn to the forward of Teaching of Ezra Taft Benson and
point out that the first presidency had reviewed the manuscript. I also pointed out
that one of two names mentioned there as helping pull the material together was a person
who had been my mentor during the American Study Group days, V. Dennis Wardle.
My situation is not isolated. I know of many, many others who tell a story very
similar to mine.
I share these things with you to illustrate the degree of blindness on the part of
those who are leading the Church at this time.
Truly God has poured out upon them the spirit of deep sleep. The prophet and the
seer hath he covered.
When the mark of the beast comes into full sway so that those who take the mark will be
sealed as Satan's, I would dare say that many Mormons will be standing in line to take the
mark, and they will be turning their fellow brothers and sisters in the gospel over to the
authorities for not taking the mark.
I do not see the church ever endorsing the mark as a matter of official policy, for
they will have gone over the line in so doing. Rather, there will be a subculture of
persecution against the patriots, just like there is now. It is a subtle
thing. Not an overt thing.
The setting in order takes place at the end of the tribulation, not at the beginning.
This is when the hearts of men will be tried to the core.
Will they side with Christ or will they side with Satan?
Those who side with Satan's new world order, having first been made partakers of the
heavenly gift, they become sons of perdition.
One of those will sit in the temple of God, fulfilling II Thes. 2. My studies,
experiences, and witnesses of the Spirit say that it will be the president of the Mormon
church.
That is why the oil in the lamps is to have the Holy Spirit as your guide -- not a man,
though that man even be the president of the Mormon Church.
God is going to show us in a very graphical way the folly of so doing.
I do not delight in any way shape or form in seeing my brothers and sisters lead into
the paths of deception. That is why I labor day and night to lift up the voice of warning
to all who will hear.
The paradigm I present is verifiable many times over in the scriptures that we possess
and revere as the word of God.
My web site is filled with chiasms and parallels which prophetically show forth these
things.
The alphabetics word studies are yet more specific in pinning things down as to where
we are, who is who, and what the issues are.
I would strongly urge you to avail yourself of the material found there -- not in the
spirit of "follow me," but in the spirit of "follow the Lord." I
believe the tools you will find on my web site will assist you in that quest.
And as far as the temple is concerned, I would admonish you to have your temple, your
body, be in harmony with God, as you may find yourself not having access to the physical
structures if you continue asking questions such as you are.
"Seek and ye shall find" is not always in harmony with "follow the
prophet."
My best wishes go to you in your sincere quest.
Sterling D. Allan
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From: Loren <lorenp@aros.net>
To: Sterling D. Allan's friends <SDA_friends@listbot.com>
Date: Tuesday, November 02, 1999 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: {888} Pres. Hinkley and II Thes. 2 (part II)
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Sterling,
As always, a very eloquent response. I am very aware of Pres. Benson's teachings
about secret combinations and I am also aware of the lack of support he got from the
mainstream. I have met his son Reed, I know Joel, Max and Cleon Skousen. I
believe that the scripture about the combinations being above us has long been fulfilled
and there is a lot of sleeping in the church about it (mostly due to the prosperity). My
wife had a dream about a man who spoke at a university in the presence of a large number
of priesthood holders. He kept referring to a new world order. She said that
everybody in the audience kept drinking it all in and she finally stood up and asked if
anybody was going to do anything about it? Then she woke up. Until that dream, I had
never heard the term "NWO" and this dream took place prior to Pres. Bush coining
the phrase and prior to her dreams fulfillment when Scowcroft came to BYU. So, I am
very steeped in all that you say. Where we part company is that I am not convinced that
the Q of 12 is asleep however. I believe they know more than they let on. I
believe Pres. Hinckley knows more than he lets on. I don't believe they will
continue to perpetuate the delusion. Just as Nephi was constrained by the spirit
from saying more to the people, they have also been constrained. The people have all
the information they need in past talks, the scriptures and the temple. We will be held
accountable for it. But when the cleansing comes, I think the 1st presidency and Q
of 12 will be deliverers and lights on a hill for those who will see them and hear them
rather than lead us carefully down to Satan. I agree that we may not always be able
to rely on the physical temples and will have to rely on other things. Someday the
true order of prayer may have to be used outside the temple, etc. In any case, the
humble and honest in heart will eventually be brought back together, whether they are in
or out of the church at the present time.
Loren
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Date: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 8:35 PM
Subject: {888} Pres. Hinckley and II Thes. 2 (part III)
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Loren,
Over and over I am astonished at people's ability on the one hand to see so much of
what is going on in our world today by way of secret combinations in the governments of
the world, especially ours; and yet on the other hand refuse to see or admit that same
corruption within the leadership of their own church -- the Mormon church in this case.
Somehow you think that the corruption (apostasy) spoken of in prophecy of the Lord's
church and people is speaking of some other time, of some other people. Even when
you see blatant overt signs of that corruption in the leadership of your own church, you
rationalize it away as having some explanation that you cannot comprehend, and thus keep
your head firmly imbedded in the sand -- shifting sand.
The bottom line is that you equate personal righteousness and hence your very salvation
with devotion to the church to which you belong and its leadership.
To question the leadership of your church is to question the very foundation of your
testimony of God. It is to commit spiritual suicide.
Can you not see that in such a fearful mode you have elevated the institution and its
leaders to the status of god, in the place of God?
And that is why this issue is so important.
I am asking you, Who is it that sits in the holy of holies of your heart?
What is your foundation?
Is it Christ? or is it an institution complete with the men who run that institution?
If it was Christ, then you would be willing to pay whatever price was required, whether
it was loss of loved ones, loss of status in society, or loss of membership in your church
institution. This is the price that so many holy men and women of God had to pay in
times past (as well as today). The examples are numerous of the truly noble
righteous ones being cast out from the supposed "true" church of the day, Jesus
being one such.
New wine cannot be put into old bottles.
To place the institution or the man or men who head that institution as being
infallible -- an unfaltering anchor of stability -- is to comit the sin of idolatry:
placing something other than God as a god in your life.
It is that heart's core belief that I am addressing in "the Man of Sin
Revealed."
I would ask of you to search deeply in your heart of hearts -- into your holy of
holies. Who sits there?
II Thessallonians 2 says that God is going to send "strong delusion" to those
who hypocritically consider themselves the people of God, enabling a man, who becomes a
son of perdition, to sit in the temple of God and become as a god for the people.
Christ suffers him to sit, until he is revealed and removed far away.
That sure sounds like a key Mormon figure in a Mormon temple to me.
For a Catholic, it would be the Pope, with the adoration that is heaped upon him
instead of Christ by the people.
For a patient, it is excessive trust of a doctor when they ought to be taking more
responsibility for knowing how to regain and maintain their own health.
The bottom line is that each person is responsible for his or her own salvation, of
establishing a relationship with God and becoming a discerning, acting, godly individual.
Ironically, in so doing, one comes to actuate the godliness that is inherent in
themselves, becoming like unto God.
That is what we want isn't it? To grow into godhood?
As God is, man may become?
I think that each becoming a prophet is far more compatible with that quest than
following a prophet who may or may not hold true to the course he is to follow.
Sincerely,
Sterling D. Allan
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Date: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: {888} Pres. Hinckley and II Thes. 2 (part III)
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Sterling;
It's very plain to me. The LDS brainwashing, is deep, and thorough.
It's like the gov. project Monark mind-control. It's been perfected over many
years and it works. Some scoff at this, yet your exact point here is a perfect
example of the effectiveness of the secret combinations work, within the entire Christian
system of religion. On this list, it just happens to be the LDS.
As in any mind control system, there are a few who can break themselves of it,
with the help of others who understand. I would suspect, that deep down, most who
have been exed from the LDS, just cannot or refuse to accept it. They just
cannot divorce themselves when the time comes. Are these perhaps "foolish
virgins"?
For me, I have been ever grateful to my God/Father, for having provided me the
learning experiences, by my choices, for having released my "chains of LDS
bondage" and I have accepted it. Such freedom it is. Refreshing,
peaceful, and most of all, the only ones left for turning to is Jesus Christ and the Holy
Spirit. It's like, perhaps, using a common phrase in recent posts, a baptism of
fire......Pablo :-))
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Date: Thursday, November 04, 1999 12:28 AM
Subject: Re: {888} Pres. Hinckley and II Thes. 2 (part III)
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Written by Will Griggs, clipped from a private correspondence.--Walt
You may have seen the recent piece I did entitled "Beware the Child
Protectors," which describes a major class-action lawsuit against the Utah DFS for,
in essence, stealing children from families and consigning them to the Foster Care system
in exchange for federal subsidies. The attorney behind the suit, Michael Humiston, is an
eccentric genius who has a rich and impressive intellectual and academic background.
During a recent conversation he said *exactly* the same thing I have said on numerous
occasions, e.g. that Utah is the most culturally communistic society of any significant
size in the world. This is because Utah Mormons are tirelessly acculturated to defer to
constituted "authority," and therefore do not understand and recognize the
critical distinction between authority (delegated, revocable, accountable, limited power)
and power.
The "friendly" chat you describe is a perfect illustration of why it was that
Utahns (your Bishop, Terrell Bell, sundry people attached to BYU) are found among the
pioneers of OBE. The standard upbringing of Mormon children is nothing less than applied
OBE: Operant conditioning, feedback loops, programmatic behavior ladders (advancement
through Primary, Priesthood/Young Women's program, etc.) certificates of mastery (viz.
"Duty to God"/"Young Women of Promise" and the like), and -- most
importantly -- the systematic effort to instill an amoral devotion to the primacy of
obedience to one's "file leader." If you want to see OBE in action, pay close
attention to the typical Fast and Testimony meeting when the children troop to the
microphone to recite the same potted "testimonies," one after another. The
Church certainly didn't start out this way, but that's where we are now.
Pablo wrote:
As in any mind control system, there are a few who can break themselves of it, with the
help of others who understand. I would suspect, that deep down, most who have been exed
from the LDS, just cannot or refuse to accept it. They just cannot divorce themselves when
the time comes. Are these perhaps "foolish virgins"?
For me, I have been ever grateful to my God/Father, for having provided me the learning
experiences, by my choices, for having released my "chains of LDS bondage" and I
have accepted it. Such freedom it is. Refreshing, peaceful, and most of all, the only ones
left for turning to is Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. It's like, perhaps, using a
common phrase in recent posts, a baptism of fire......Pablo :-))
