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Seeking God in Alphabets/DNA

Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2002 11:12 AM
Subject: Seeking God in Alphabets/DNA

Dear friends I hope all is well with you all , I thought I would share with you some information and newly gained insights , a day ago a kind man named Ron contacted me and shared with me his web page www.sshoesmith.fsnet.co.uk which concerns the Bock Saga which some of  you perhaps remember I told you about earlier,
I believe you would find his website worthwhile reading thru since he mentions some things I recently considered with the help from Dee ,that being about the Indigo children and the coming DNA changes we are now seeing among us and how this may relate to the SA-GA .yet many of the things he has discovered I to had found earlier , I have posted all these with Allan's kind help at http://www.greaterthings.com/CiprianPater/AlphernasBeten.htm
there are but small differences , but that is not the goal of my mail today , rather I would like to reach a conclusion that not only affects my inner being and spirit yet also starts the same inward process for others if ever possible then it can so be , for after all what I have understood concerning the Bock Saga and its beautiful mystery , I can just say that truth is what we collectively produce being transcended with our minds into one single will for knowing that which we each and one search out is to find each other in spirit forms and connect to the same will that being the will that created all things the will of God .I believe we can try .
 
Ron himself says:
"There are other pages, but they seem to be about the same information repeated over and over. Just wondered if you had any more, or  knew where we could find some."
 
I remember myself when reading about this subject I had a hard time finding any new things to investigate , yet I never found Rons page so I think it was very funny that he found me after all this time, since I felt very strongly at the time I was concerning my self with the Bock Saga that I never did reach the end of it all and that it would sooner or later come back into my interest of present seeking of the ultimate truth by making the Bock Saga a big part of it ,so forth I would like to share this with you all and Ron also , perhaps together more alike might find a way to comprehend what one man only has said that all can learn but since Ior Bock himself is hard to find somewhere in Thailand ,I guess the meaning of his story is actually what it tells us we should become one with the light of reason , by knowing the meaning of Alphernas Beten , alpha-bet ,Thinck for one self 
 
I believe Ron to be an honest man seeking for truth with a loving heart therefore I hold true that there is something concerning the entire Bock Saga that needs further looking into , because not only might there be tiny parts of truth which would give even more amazement to God but rather also unto man ,so I hope that I perhaps will be able somehow myself to show beyond the reason of doubt that even as man himself is unaware of the working spirit within him for his own fate but also for others ,yet again I know that sounds heavy :)
 
In the light of the Gospel and its way of describing the future of mankind and our state of life we look forward to the day of resurrection , which will bring back the fallen ones and those men and women from all times past that know either of the gospel or other things of truth , this will without doubt bring into light many sealed points of understanding concerning the history of man and their progress into the modern world we know of today , we will then hear from people whom we are , were they were ,what was known unto them of life and by which means of language their own knowledge was passed down the line of time in order for their own consciousness to reach us their offsprings of nature , we will have the opportunity to ask how it was possible for humans to become so widely spread across the earth and how they learned and passed on the language skills that have become the ones we ourselves master unto this day , later a short while after the question will again arise as to what state of language God will enable us to live by for the millennial to come , for as it was that man once knew each other by the same language they surely understood each other like a brother knows the other and a sister knows the other by their loving hearts which makes words meaningless in comparison , for all that love we will encounter will have the need of clarifying itself unto the others of our kind even unto many an many more, so forth will God again enable us into speaking and hearing all after the same kind and tongue even all those whom will in short time arise from the dead with memories of whom they are and how it was in the days of Noah .
 
 
The past to learn from .
 
Genesis 11;1 And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech .
 
6 And the Lord said Behold the people is one, and they have all one language and this they begin to do, and now nothing will be restrained from them ,which they have imagined to do.7 Go to let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech .8 So the Lord scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth ,and they left to build the city .
 
The future is at hand as we speak .
 
Zephaniah 3;9 For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the Lord, to serve him with one consent .
 
Thus the Lord does tell us that it is possible .
 
The Acts 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come ,they were all with one accord in one place .And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting .And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire ,and it sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost ,and began to speak with other tongues ,as the Spirit gave them utterance.
 
Miracles or learnings of the Spirit ?
 
If you look on Rons webpage under the section :The Kela of Sound , you will see things concerning the Rot language taken from an audio tape of Ior Bock talking about the Alphernas-Beten alphabet which is the Kela of Sound and a brief understanding of each letter.
 
Also on the same page you can see further down an image of the Rot language ,and its alphabet in a ring ,this same image that Ron has on his page is the first one bellow here as well . the second very much alike yet different in a tiny manner is an image that I myself have had for a long while now, I found mine in an original positive foundation magazine from 97 , I would ask Ron where he got his ?, Ron explains on his website whom the positive foundation are ,anyway I was very amazed to see the difference on these two images since I understand that we are unaware of things until they are for us on a need to know basis of God shown by all his means even unto other unaware men whom seek the same :).
 
Notice Ron's image which has 23 letters in the ring and 7 outside the ring .
whereas mine has 23 letters in the ring and 6 outside the ring
 
The one additional letter that his image has more than mine is ø , I will try my best to figure this out since Ø is in Norwegian the same as the Ö in Swedish ,note that both I and him have that letter in our images ! this small matter might be irrelevant seeing it in the light of total existence and so on , yet we head forward in evolution with our minds unlocking small tiny locks which are unseen for our bodies yet we comprehend with our spirits that which we cant even see , and God has made so little as a letter to show so much that we see without seeing , for we see the letters not it which it describes yet in us it becomes that which it is in the letter so I beg you to bear with me on this matter for it is all I have ,"if we fail to investigate it and study it and learn it and reconnect ourselves with it; with our roots and common origin as human social cultural beings capable of communication and cooperation, intelligence and wisdom, then we, as humans, will be throwing away the one key we are given that can unlock from within virtually all languages and cultures - the secrets of our origins'"
 
Both images bellow represent the Alphernas Beten ,"The "ring-ing" inspired by the sound system of Rot language demands and cultivates an activity within the human brain that roots, educates and nourishes the integrated processes of consciousness and communication observable (and intuited) in the laws of nature which we take to mean those laws which actually determine and govern observable events" if so we truly need to understand it ,even all of us .
 
What I see is very important with the entire myth of the Saga is that the Alphabet ,which is shown as a ring of letters , is made up of "Latin" characters ,if the Saga is true concerning its origin in time then these letters are a lot more older than the present day explanations of their actual origin in the past, this then would in fact change the view of all known linguistic knowledge that explains the evolution of the present languages spoken by most parts of the world , just because we now really can understand it with the same languages we speak , at least first some then all .

"The linguistic system, the Sound System, the ring and ringing of sound of which we speak, is named Alphernas Beten which means, among other things, the "Prayer of the Elvs". From within this ring is generated the Rot {pronounced "root"} language. This impeccably logical language demonstrates and proves itself, when finding fertile cerebral ground, to be the common origin of all languages spoken today, containing "original instructions" that humans were to follow in populating and inhabiting the earth."

 
Ron's image : 30 letters

 
 

Paters image : 29 letters

 
 
 
"This non-linear alphabet can not be written in a column with a beginning and an end; rather it is given to circulate, literally, socially and logically. Like ripples radiating from a handful of pebbles thrown into a pond, the unfoldings of interdependent meanings are ceaselessly converging and overlapping, encouraging spontaneous, simultaneous non-linear thought processes (synaptic connections) that replicate the concurrent cyclical and radiant movements of creation itself. This not only parallels natural laws evidenced within the larger system but, as well, confirms discoveries continuing to this day in fields as diverse as particle physics, astrophysics and genetics. "As below, so above. As above, so below."
 

Norway, Finland , Sweden and Denmark have 29 characters in their alphabets. From A to Z these alphabets are identical with the English one, after the 'z' three special characters are added. They represent three vowels found in Norwegian, Finnish Swedish and Danish (as a matter of fact in English, too!). Unfortunately there are two sets of characters for these sounds - the Finnish - Swedish and the Norwegian-Danish. And of course the pronunciation may change a little bit from language to language and from dialect to dialect.

Finland and Sweden use the same alphabet. The following 29 letters are used: this in spite of the fact that the two languages belong to completely different language families , Swedish being a Germanic language ,and Finnish a Finno-ugric language .

ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZÅÄÖ

How do you pronounce the letters ÅÄÖ in Finnish and Swedish?
These vowels are pronounced in the same manner as the red letters in the examples:

Å clock, door
Ä hat
Ö bird, the
 
Remembrance to the SA-GA must be made while reading this .
 
Many languages that use variants of the Roman alphabet employ diacritics to enable a given letter to represent more than one sound unambiguously, as when German writes ö to indicate a different value from o. Scandinavian languages in particular have created extra letters: Danish and Norwegian have extended the alphabet by adding the letters æ and ø while Icelandic includes ð and þ to represent voiced and voiceless th respectively. Sometimes a letter with a diacritic may be listed separately from its plain form, as with å in Danish, Norwegian, and Swedish, which is added at the end of the alphabet list, and ñ in Spanish, which follows plain nConversely, a language that does not use certain of the conventional 26 letters to spell its native vocabulary may not include them in its alphabet: in Welsh, j, k, q, v, x, z are not used, and w generally represents a vowel. Variants of the Roman alphabet are used throughout Europe and the Americas, in most of sub-Saharan Africa, in Australasia, in parts of South-East Asia, and as a secondary system in most of the rest of the world. 
 
." Concurrently, two noteworthy individuals - two of the more-than-twelve sons of Bock and Svan, Dan and Sven - rebelled against the system in Hel and, to the west, went their separate ways to create two independent systems - Danmark - the mark of Dan - and Svenskara - the Land of Sven, today Denmark and Sweden. Part of Sven's system eventually broke off and established its own Norwegian system and, in time, also produced another off-shoot, the Icelandic. These developments can now, for the first time, be traced and verified using the Systematic Key, Alphernas Beten. "
 
The letters

æ/Æ - ä/Ä

These letters represent a sound that's roughly like the vowel in 'hat' and 'man' . The Swedes use the characters ä/Ä (small/capital), in Norway and Denmark they use æ/Æ. As you will see, the Swedish solution is to put two dots over the letter 'a'. The other two countries have fused together 'a' and 'e' to make one character.

The Danish/Norwegian letter is often called 'ae-diphthong' and sometimes written 'ae'. That's quite misleading since there is no gliding from one sound to another. In Norwegian the æ/Æ sound is long, usually the most stressed vowel in the word, and it is never combined with other vowels.

In the Swedish alphabet 'ä/Ä' is the 28th letter, in Norway and Denmark 'æ/Æ' is placed as number 27.

ø/Ø - ö/Ö

These letters are pronounced something like the vowel in 'bird' and 'heard'. The Swedes again use the 'two dots solution' and write it ö/Ö. In Norway and Denmark the solution is different: ø/Ø, also called 'o-slash'. English-speaking people use to write it as 'oe', another misleading custom: ø/Ø is not a diphthong!

'Ø/ø' can represent short as well as long sounds. The letter 'ø' can be combined with 'y' to make a diphthong, as in the Norwegian word 'øy', which means 'island'. Since there are plenty of islands in this country, many Norwegian place names have 'øy' as their two last letters.

 In Sweden 'ö/Ö' is the 29th and last letter in the alphabet, in Norway and Denmark 'ø/Ø' is number 28.

å/Å (aa/Aa)

The last letter in the Danish/Norwegian alphabet (and number 27 in Sweden) sounds like the vowel in 'fall' and 'more'. Norway and Sweden opted for the a-ring solution many decades ago, Denmark waited a little longer. All the Nordic countries now use å/Å (a-ring), but you may still find the old 'aa' in Danish writings, especially in place names and surnames (and in some Norwegian surnames, too). The pronunciation is not affected by this.

The Danish 'double a' shows the origin of this sound: It started as a long 'a'. In Norwegian most of the å/Å should be pronounced as a long sound. If it's short, then it will be written as 'o'. By the way, at least four places in Norway are called Å, which is an old word for river (still used in all the three countries), and related to Latin 'aqua'.

Here is a simplified overview showing all of the extra Nordic characters:

  27th character 28th character 29th character
Norway æ/Æ ø/Ø å/Å
Denmark æ/Æ ø/Ø å /Å(aa/Aa)
Sweden å/Å ä/Ä ö/Ö

My advice is: Be careful to copy these letters correctly, their shape as well as their sound. It's quite a distance between Lovik to Løvik, in miles as well as in sound! You will find that it's quite easy to learn the correct pronunciation, and every Windows word processor of some quality can print them on paper and on screen.

You may not find them on the keyboard, but it's very simple to assign a key combination for each of them. Your word processor will probably have a drop menu called 'Insert' or something like that. Choose 'Symbols', and look there for instructions. Most programs for creating websites can do the same trick, or you'll find the special characters in a table somewhere.

You didn't find them? Well then, below you'll find the HTML code for each of them. Don't forget the ampersand (&) and the semicolon (;)!

æ Æ ä Ä ø Ø ö Ö å Å
æ Æ ä Ä ø Ø ö Ö å Å
 
 
 The alphabet today is not well suited to writing words in English. It does not have a separate character for every distinctive sound in English, and it has several characters with more than one sound. Many other languages written with Roman letters use accent marks to show changes in sounds. Linguists use an almost perfect alphabet, the International Phonetic Alphabet, which has more than 80 characters Nowadays, the Roman alphabet, which is made up of 26 letters is used to print most books, magazines and newspapers. But the Romans did not invent it. They only improved a system that has been growing for thousands of years.
 
Origin.

Scholars who study the world's writing systems generally agree that the alphabetic principle was invented only once, in West Asia. The original set of some 30 signs, known as the North Semitic alphabet, was used in and around Canaan and Phoenicia from c. 1700 - 1500  BC onwards. It was the ultimate ancestor (by evolution or through analogy) of all later alphabets, such as those used for Phoenician of 22 letters, Hebrew 22 letters, Greek 24 letters , Arabic 29letters, Latin 23 letters, English 26 letters, the languages of the Indian subcontinent, and those of Ethiopia

 
The Latin alphabet of 23 letters was derived in the 600's BC from the Etruscan alphabet of 26 letters,The first known use of the Latin or Roman alphabet is an inscription on a cloak pin from the seventh century BC.  The script is in all capital letters and reads, “MANIOS MED FHEFHAKED NUMASIOI”. (Classical Latin “Manius me fecit Numerioi.”: “Manius made me for Numerius.”)  The Roman alphabet, whose derivatives are now used more than any other alphabet in the world, was influenced most by another Italic Language of the time, Etruscan.  Of its twenty-three letters, twenty-one come from Etruscan.  In addition, languages such as Phoenician and Greek also shaped the Roman alphabet, especially Greek which the Romans tried on occasion to copy due to the Greek language’s prestige in Roman culture.

Modern Latin alphabet

Evolution in image
 
 
 
Now another evidence that would gives credit to the Bock Saga and its value of truth is an article by Pan.Kouvalakis published in "Davlos" magazine that says Greek alphabet was in use at 6000 BC
 
"The potsherd of 5500-6000 BC, found at the islet Yura of Northern Sporades bearing Greek alphabet letters. The facsimile to the classic Greek letters Alpha, Ypsilon and Delta can be recognized. This find proves that the classic Greek alphabet is older than the Greek linear alphabets. It also demolishes crushingly and definitely the false theory that Greeks took the alphabet from the Phoenicians, who emerged in history around 1150 BC, i.e. 4500-5000 years after the creation of the Yura written potsherd."
 
or as history has shown us that we think today .
See "The Alphabet Family Tree at http://phoenicia.org/alphabet.html
 

Now on the other hand if we look upon faith as the one that makes us see things pertaining to the invisible , even those stories concerning paradise and the beings of Adam and Eve and the way all things came into being by the spirit of God , then we today might have the faith together to understand more fully that which even God is then able to create all things in reversed time if he needs , so with the science which contradicts only itself for a while so we all may fully see that which only faith in God can explain and give witness of truth unto us , by the words which those first two spoke as we do now ,and used the same of the sight to see beyond .

"If a root - Rot - language and history actually exists as herein introduced; able to prove itself to be ours, and if we ignore it, and if we fail to investigate it and study it and learn it and reconnect ourselves with it; with our roots and common origin as human social cultural beings capable of communication and cooperation, intelligence and wisdom, then we, as humans, will be throwing away the one key we are given that can unlock from within virtually all languages and cultures - the secrets of our origins. We are now afforded, in the Bock Saga, an unprecedented opportunity and peerless means with which to discover and understand where we come from, who we are, and how we are to go onward now as naturally law-abiding residents upon the earth.. "

"If the thread that Alphernas Beten and the Bock Saga offers can take us back, back through time, back through an unfolding exploration and understanding of our true nature and purpose, back to our very beginning as humans, to our original instructions, to the root and basis of all human brain-and-being capacity for communication, to the cradle of the human race, only there and therein (for where else in that case?) might we reach for and grasp the profoundest understanding of all: how our species can live in peace and harmony on the Earth, henceforth, and.....for ever? More? "

"How does human DNA respond to such Rot - root - vibrational resonance? What information is supported, or transformed from its potential state, into vital activity, in response to contextualizing which Rot language stimulates in the human brain? What is the effect of Rot sounds upon electromagnetic/ biochemical functions among cells in our brain? And throughout the entire body..soul..spirit? There is obviously much research to be done in this field."

Chromosome

"Structure found in the nucleus of a cell, which contain the genes. Chromosomes come in pairs. A normal human cell contains 46 chromosomes, 22 pairs of autosomes and two sex chromosomes, X and Y.

Full Definition
The structures in cells that contain the cellular DNA, which contain the linear array of genes. In eukaryotes, the DNA is divided into chromosomes which "condense" into the familiar X-shaped structures at mitosis. Each chromosome has a characteristic length and banding pattern, which is the basis of karyotyping. Different species contain different numbers of chromosomes. Humans have 23 pairs of chromosomes. Prokaryotes contain one chromosome, which is circular"

Now I am fully aware of that until now above I have perhaps made little sense as to what I am trying to discover and show unto others , yet I began by questioning the matter of the Alphernas Beten which is shown in the first two images above, now except that the story tells us that we again might jump ahead of our time by learning how to use the old Rot language and thus that the use of '"The "ring-ing" inspired by the sound system of Rot language demands and cultivates an activity within the human brain that roots, educates and nourishes the integrated processes of consciousness and communication observable (and intuited) in the laws of nature which we take to mean those laws which actually determine and govern observable events"

wish we not to be as spirit of God is ?

Protein folding and the secret of life
Physics in Action: March 2002

Theoretical physicists have discovered an upper limit on the number of shapes that a protein can remember. The result could have profound implications for molecular biology.

Living cells store genetic information as strings of symbols in a way that is very similar to the storage of data in books or on computer disks. This information is written in a four-letter alphabet that is somehow read to produce the proteins that do just about everything in the body. The four letters of this alphabet are the four nucleotides found in DNA - adenine (A), cytosine (C), guanine (G) and thymine (T). Proteins are made from amino acids, and since there are 20 amino acids, the process by which proteins are produced is frequently likened to a translation from one language with a four-letter alphabet (the nucleotides in the DNA) to another language with a 20-letter alphabet (amino acids and proteins).

However, this simple model overlooks a crucial fact about proteins: the DNA code just lists the order in which the amino acids combine; for the amino acids to form a protein - for them to become alive - the extended chain of amino acids must "fold" into a compact globular object with exactly the right shape. This folding process is akin to understanding language, rather than just merely mechanically manipulating symbols independent of the context and meaning.

The idea that protein folding is the process responsible for understanding the genetic information has been around for a long time on a qualitative hand-waving level. In the March issue of Physics World, Alexander Grosberg of the University of Minnesota, USA, describes how Thomas Fink, now at the Ecole Normale Supérieure in Paris, France, and Robin Ball, now at Warwick University in the UK, have been able to raise it to the level of an exact quantitative statement then that sole object and purpose is why I am writing to you all for it is given unto all men to reach the wisdom of God within by the means of words and language

"In the human DNA we have 4 nucleic acids that combine in sets of 3 producing 64 different patterns that are called codons. Human DNA all over the world always has 20 of these codons turned on and the rest of them are turned off, except for 3 which are the stop and start codes, much like a computer. Science always assumed that the ones that were turned off were old programs from our past. I've always seen them like application programs in a computer. Anyway...this boy had 24 codons turned on - 4 more than any other human being. "

the section above is about the special Indigo Children that are now emerging among us .see Dees page on the topic

http://www.greatdreams.com/dna_past_future.htm

The question is what state of physical manifestations will a mortal body encounter if the transformation of genes starts the way these children have shown , and how is the way for those alive not born with the changes already made to their beings ,we shall consider these aspects , for example if we were to increase from today's 20 turned on nodes into 21, like the twenty-one letters of the original Roman Alphabet which come from Etruscan., then the rest being 43 nodes making them together 64 would be for what purpose in our beings?

Reaching perfektion at last perhaps, but how when the world itself is not perfect?

In Alphernas Beten the letter H ( H means, Hel=in Heb values= 43) HEL.light ,bright ,clear ,is the center ,whole or Holy .

( Heb values : Eden =5+4+5+50= 64 ).

as known to many the matter of 666 being a mark of the beast which will be implemented upon us , now this mark will or will nor be a physical mark yet it will put us human bodies under its total influence who are we to worry of its effect be it positive or negative for all not all things of God .

Remember that adding all the numbers from one to 36 = 666

now we humans are the makers of our own fates and destinies ,yet we see not the whole picture of self progression unto perfectness within our beings ,even in all parts of our mortal bodies we comprehend it yet not.

as we are to advance like these children spoken about above we must balance the scale of life within , by submitting our minds and even internal words of faith and prayer ,we ask and say to God to hear me if he please .

I am but sixty-four , like the perfect you once made in the complete range of one to 36 why so then is perfect 666 , for if we normal men have but 20 codons turned on ,you left me still with 46 to go until being like the first (Heb values:Adam =46) still now his sin I bear and must be more like he first was , I must increase in my codons until I to reach the 28 turned on for only then have I 28 +36= 64 active ones as I may be perfect in all my senses like he together with she once were .

Now God I have noticed you marvelous works ,and did see that adding all numbers from 1 to 28 = 406 ,and I did know of you letters especially the last one which also has the value of 36 ,you name it Sav at the very end of the Aleph Bais , for is it not the Man and Woman whom were 6 and you formed her as one 6 whom be we not then if not able to be perfect like they were ,being like they once a complete sex ?

Gematria value of the Letter Sav = 400
Gematria value of the word Sav = 406

 

Meaning of Sav = sign, line, feature or note..

The Letter Sav represents Truth and Perfection

But still God is that all? for are not three of those 28 start and stop codes even then? how will I then ever manage to transform myself unto 25 if you have left me alive with 26 letters to pick from at least the way I speak unto the ears right now , will you tell me which to lay aside or need I to trust you fully with my life and that you will increase my understanding with light ?

In Alphernas Beten the letter E means  (Heb values; Ek=25 ) EK.Oaktree .the soultree,the steemtree of all vaner of the planet, all sperm knowledge

For by the way I speak and talk I use 1+2+3...to 26 letters ?= 351

( Greek values; Light = 351)

For now I return to the object of discussion that was intended to be clarified at last , which was the difference between the two images of the Alphernas Beten , now I can relate these matters of languages ,for example the English language with its 26 letters and the three start ,stop nodes which would in this case represent those invisible powers of all words , thus as seen in the section Kela of Sound the three nodes are

 
Å
Is Masculine
Ä
Is Feminin
Ö
Is both

Except for the English language , which so comes from the original 23 characters of the Latin alphabet swell as this being the nucleus of the Alphernas Beten system a ring of 23 sounds , in one accord these two so widely separated Alphabets are in fact the living registry order of our cells and inherited Godly image reflections the 46 chromosomes , and so forth did God want time to spiral by the ways of two entwined helix states of creation , that until the end we knew only that which was and still is necessary for our journey unto his rest , which so is said by his own words , that then and only then will man understand how to fully acknowledge the Lord Gods supreme sovereignty as creator and finisher of all things name any that then so it will be by the word of God alone for it is he whom layeth the words into your mouths .

These do so make for the English 26 speaking people no need to actually learn Arabic or any Nordic language to be able to reach their inner kela of sound with 29 nodes enabled and active , and after this newly gained insight its understandable how come we all people of different nations and tongues each produce the way of the future by being and progressing into our self manufactured time frames by which we manifest in different degrees the complete aspects of our surrounding and absent reality .

Further down the time span of our lifes and before , we have become beings whom know and feel the presence of our creator , for so has he wanted for us that we know him by his words and deeds unto mankind , thus he gave the words into the hearts of men of earlier times , and forth they came unto the present living ones called our selves, unto many others it has reached, transformed by words of those whom see , even others now know him for it is by the words we know all things and by them we will find life within all things ,for so was the word in the beginning with God that he might tell it unto himself by creating us in his image of understanding , and now even tomorrow we know the words of his mouth for that we feel is truth is Amen unto our souls and minds , yet now we may reach the moment when we realize whom we are in his sight , yet it should not be easy until the end for before that end is here much that needs to be in place ,even the truth must be preached by the ways of our mouths and then all will se as we see him , by the way we learn that he is from his books , his word the Bible .

Perhaps the explanation bellow also gives evidence to why the Greek and the Hebrew alphabetical values are the two main offsprings of truth manifested for the present need of knowing ourselves and God for in all times past and future come we will carry as many have before the words written in the languages he sought be best for us to know and hence we now can see by the sight of our past , for we to have learned and still become more knowing of the different pieces of his need for us , thus I recommend that we should take a closer look at the two languages that may set an example for the rest of those we know exist ,then just as these two should be combined into one single set of Letters/numbers which further more would be adapted to the Roman characters so it further would be understood by more than most of the speaking world which today use the Latin letters as their main alphabetical structures of living language , I don't know , perhaps we could come up with a new name for this language which indeed consist of only God knows how many letters:) this is what I'm trying to find out and by which way the process of conversion will be when the Kingdom comes upon all flesh , what is the way in physical terms of speaking or be it at that time only a spiritual world with creatures of light.

Bellow are some earlier thoughts to the Gematrical numbering system according to the Greek and Hebrew languages which after all are far from related according to the history of linguistic evolution which we have talked about above and seen in the Alphabet Family Tree .Then one must be admired by the similarities they both show in their numerical structures attained to each letter , we do all believe God wants us to understand him no , then surely even all these things testify about Jesus :)

The Mystery Of The Sav  

Dear friends ill try not to complicate this to much but ill try to explain how this is possible , if I could ask you to follow my explanation while looking at the Alphabet image Allan has put up  at http://www.greaterthings.com/Word-Number/Methods/HebrewGreekEnglish.htm have you ever noticed that there are marks at 6, 60, 600 why ? looking at it would make it easier I think , thank you in advance for bearing with me :) since this is the one image I know as my own teacher of gematria since a long time now I can but say that it has enriched my life and enabled all my senses to perceive things that normal men do not. yet of course all men have senses do they not.
 
Before learning any of this especially while I only considered the English , Greek and Hebrew values to be of importance, I always knew that The Swedish and Norwegian languages being so alike only had one peculiar obstacle in being 100% alike to the other three ,this obstacle didn't stop me from taking most words in SE/NO and counting their total value according to the KEY .
which I so gladly used as one set of understanding thru all the values but not after more than one year of knowing of them  I began thinking of them as being One language .
 
By the way in values bellow the words:
 
(Gematria = 660)
(Sense = 660)
 
( Messiah = 664 )
 
Here goes nothing yet here comes some , one ?.
 
After my understanding
V = 6 not 500 as the Greek would have it . F also is 6 , Hence only one 6 .
T = 400 in the Heb , so is true for the U which we see as 400 , thus only one 400.
 
Remember Sav ?
 
Ok if I am aiming at God or Messiah then the only way I can explain this is thru the obstacle which is the three letters you can see on the Alphernas Beten image .
In Norwegian they are spelled like this  :  Å , Æ , Ø
I have A Norwegian Keyboard so I can only refer to the image so that you can see the tiny difference , which is the letter A with two dots above it = Æ ,
and the letter Ø = O with two dots above it .
Its rather funny that two small differences make up such huge obstacles :)
well I believe I have understood the main hindrance which is the Letter Æ
from its appearance its clear that Someone is trying to say something here , a hint from God perhaps :)  Æ is a combination between an A and an E
Thus the last Letter needed made up of two, sharing one single value of
 A= 1 +.E= 5 = 6
 
you know what the hint was don't you , if not take six and look for Messiah , for where a six is needed God will lay one down ,for his will is one that becomes , for he that sits at the right hand of him is coming from him who is becoming .
 
And finally but not last bellow the list of letters and values that I thank for helping my soul and spirit unto enlightenment by the means of faith .I wish to share them again with you all for these I feel are correct and true and good for belief .
 
 
A-1
B-2
C-60
D-4
E-5
F-6
G-3
H-8
I-10
J-10
K-20
L-30
M-40
N-50
O-70
P-80
Q-100
R-200
S-300
T-400
U-400
V-6
W-800
X-600
Y-700
Z-7
 
The red highlighted sections bellow are from Jewish path , I must be honest that I have always know about these extra 4 Final values and that they use them  in order to reach 26 with God and many of the meanings they trust by them, I have only understood so much of the rules they attribute to these Final Letters meanings , but as I have mixed the Greek with the Hebrew values into one set of values counting 26 I have by this understood that there is a reason to all things and these reasons I feel we friends should reason about :)
 
The Sav is the last letter of the Aleph / Bais. We must pass by twenty - one letters and five final letters a total of twenty-six letters before reaching the Sav. The Gematria for Hashem's Holy Name is twenty-six. The twenty-six letters which represent Hashem's Name teach us that Hashem's Torah which begins with a Sav and which is composed by each of the letters of the Aleph Bais is on each step of the path climbing the staircase to truth and perfection. The Torah provides the steps towards truth and perfection!

THIS IS THE SUMMIT WHERE THE SAV LIVES

400

300--------------------------------------------------Shin
200------------------------------------------------Reish
100----------------------------------------------Kuf
--------------------------------------------Final Tzaddi
90------------------------------------------Tzaddi
----------------------------------------Final Pey
80--------------------------------------Pey
70------------------------------------Ayin
60----------------------------------Samech
--------------------------------Final Nun
50------------------------------Nun
----------------------------Final Mem
40--------------------------Mem
30------------------------Lamid
----------------------Final Chof
20--------------------Chof
10------------------Yod
9----------------Tes
8--------------Chess
7------------Zayin
6----------Vav
5--------Hey
4------Dalet
3----Gimmel
2--Bais
1-Aleph

see the hole page on Sav :

http://www.jewishpath.org/gematriasav.html

http://www.jewishpath.org/gematriamystryofsav.html

And now that we have reached the end , or ( FIN= 66) :)

I thought I would do one last thing for the sake of truth and I'm happy I did because it really shocked me , I started counting the values for the entire  first known use of the Latin or Roman alphabet is an inscription on a cloak pin from the seventh century BC.  The script is in all capital letters and reads,

or course I always use the values you can see in blue above

“MANIOS MED FHEFHAKED NUMASIOI”.

= 471+ 49+ 63+ 881= 1464

notice the 64 again

I felt brrrr when I added them together almost like I got scred a bit since a well known fact to me is my own name ,Ciprian Florin Pater =411+366+686 =1463 close:)

well since that was fun lets do the rest to

 (Classical Latin

 “Manius me fecit Numerioi.”:

=801+45+481+785 = 2112 :) nice next palindrome date

110 years from Feb 20,02 , time 20:02 year 2002

 “Manius made me for Numerius.”)

=801+ 50+45+276+1405= 2577

Now I know that the word Spirit =1000

and that . Nativity = 1577

Then the Nativity of Spirit =2577 :)

Blessings unto you readers from  Pater

oh what is in a (Market=40+1+200+20+5+400=666)

 

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