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From: DJ Mansfield <jitschak70@h...> Sterling wrote: I pulled together an index of various items relating to the subject of excommunication in general and regarding my case in particular. I would like to include a few other people's story if any of you would be interested in submitting yours. TITLE Regarding My Excommunication URL http://www.greaterthings.com/Bio/Excommunication/ DESCRIPTION Circumstances of expulsion explained, Alphabetics Bible Code shows the LDS verdict to be in prophetic contradiction and not upheld by God. Sterling ------------------------------------------------------------------- Shalom Sterling, I read your story once before when we first encountered each other in this discussion group. And I just read it again. I really sympathize with you and the ordeal of your excommunication. We all have to learn in our own way. After I was excommunicated I underwent similar things as you describe and also came to the conclusion that to be bitter or angry would accomplish nothing at all. The thing that strikes me about your current situation is the cruelty of being still very much attached to the LDS church and people, and even relying upon them as part of your support system, but being a pariah among them. One can endure that up to a point, but then one is eventually forced see that most likely there is not going to be a reconciliation--at least not in this short life-span. The LDS are going to go on as they are for an indefinite period, with no real change unless there is something catastrophic to cause change. Whatever that might turn out to be, well, it is beyond us and out of our hands. So, one can either be "submissive to the Brethren," which I think was very wise advice at the time it was given; or one can eventually find another way and find other like-minded people who are also searching--who see from a similar light or vantage point. I think you are trying to make contact with these "others" with your web site and participation in these discussion groups. But I would like to suggest something to you and to any who may find themselves in this same kind of situation. One of the dangers of going out on one's own and challenging the "system" that is in place, is that we may lose our "grounding." Mormonism is culturally strongly grounded. The pioneer experience helped to mitigate the excesses of the Nauvoo and early Utah periods. A new thing had come forth and there was danger of unleashing spiritual forces that can be harmful and extremely deceptive. Everything that is "in place" in Mormonism, I personally believe, is for a good reason. The Temple ceremonies and the dogmas, which I often criticize, help to "immunize" the LDS from spiritual forces that are very deceptive and often destructive. As a result--because of the power of the revelation they received (The Book of Mormon)--they instinctively shy away from anything that threatens their ground- ing and stability. They are carrying a great burden with the new revelation (The Book of Mormon). The "over-beliefs" and the strict way, often authoritarian way, that they have of doing things is a result of this burden and the negative forces that could be un- leashed on them if they aren't careful. So, they are very careful. The problem is, when anyone goes spiritually or intellectually into an area that they sense could be dangerous due to the spiritual forces that could be unleashed, they take drastic measures. They often overdo it. But that is their habit going back to pioneer days when they did experience many things and had to put a lid on it. Polygamy was a nice compromise and solution to worse things that had been going on, for example. One doesn't learn about the spiritual dynamics involved in this unless one studies Judaism and Kabbalah. And if one is going to go off away from one's grounding, one must soon find a new kind of grounding or one could find oneself going down all kinds of strange paths as led by the "Shedim." The antidote, I believe, is to be found in the Torah of Moses, to live a Torah-observant life. If one is an Israelite, of whatever tribe, it is the only way. The Mormon belief and practice is only a stop-gap measure. It is a kind of improvised solution based on the best inspiration and knowledge available to the LDS at the time they were experiencing the "overflow of vision" that accompanied the birth of the Book of Mormon. They are satisfied with this system. It has worked for them. But it is Gentile and still not truly tamed. The Book of Mormon comes forth "by way of the Gentile." What I am getting at is, we need to become "Messianic Jews" or like Jews who have come to recognize Jesus as Messiah, with the added knowledge of the Book of Mormon. James Trimm was really onto something in his "Rabbi Yosef" role. He just got a little carried away, I think, and then the role got out of hand because he was playing a part to illustrate a point. But the point didn't carry because it seemed he was "tricking" everyone with his role. (Yet even Father Jacob played a role one time to receive the birthright blessing. And "Jacob," of course, is "James" in Greek! Ha!) So, what I am suggesting, for myself as well, is the establishment of Assemblies of Messiah based on Torah-observance, with the sacrament of the last supper in lieu of the Law of Offerings of Moses. The Book of Mormon supplies the method of ordaining Cohens (priests) and Rabbis (teachers) and how to administer Tevilah (Immersion) and the Kiddush (sanctification of bread and wine). The rest of the laws are still in tact and serve as the grounding for our spirituality so that me may advance to the point where we eventually see the LORD "Peney al Peney" ("Face to Face"). Thus the way to apply your great love of the scriptures, which is a sign of being an Israelite, is to study and learn Torah with all the study aides the Jewish people have made available through the ages, i.e., Gemara & Mishnah (Talmud) and Midrashic literature, as well as Zohar and esoteric (Kabbalistic) literature. These things will only give one a greater appreciation for the Book of Mormon and for Yeshua the Messiah. When I became a Jew I soon underwent a lot of criticism from friends. One day I just blurted out, "Well, which do you prefer? The religion OF Jesus or a religion ABOUT Jesus?" "What do you mean?" they asked. "What was the religion OF Jesus?" I asked. "Was it not Judaism? And the religion ABOUT Jesus was the Gentile Church, no?" (I found out shortly thereafter that I was not the first to use this argument.) To bring about ZION requires a grafting back into the Hebrew Root. There are many who have sensed this among Christian Evangelicals. So there is now the "Hebrew Roots Movement." And I suggest that this is what all of us former LDS and Christians do who want to bring about ZION: Begin to Establish Messianic Assemblies of Yeshua, be Torah-observant, and follow the example of order taught in the Book of Mormon. And leave the LDS who want to stay as they are--leave them to God's care and blessing. They are part of His Divine Plan, and have done a great service for us all. Anyway, these are my present views, Sterling, and I think you would really enjoy learning Hebrew and reading the scriptures in the holy tongue. Dean.
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