J.J. Misses the Nature of the Beast Conspiracy
I probably would have just let this pass, for I have other things to do
with my time, as do all of you. But the incessant bantering and ranting at the
keys list has urged me to defend my position and to fire yet another cannon
shot.
I must warn you that I am not in the best of moods as I write this. There
have been some pretty low blows in the comments that have been made, so don't
be surprised that my response might include a bit more fire than usual.
I am responding to:
From: "J J Dewey" <jjd@rmci.net>
To: "The Keys of Knowledge List" <keys-l@spiritweb.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2000 4:24 PM
Subject: [keys-l] Turning
Hearts
> I do not have time to fully comment on Sterling's
post as it would take a
> whole book. In fact I have written a book on the subject of antichrist
> already and it is included in my first 100+ posts to the Keys list.
>
> I notice that no critics have carefully examined my earlier writings on
> the antichrist or even attempted to refute them.
You will also notice that I was not on the list at that time. Do any of you
doubt that I would be able to find something in each and every post of J.J.'s
and give ample reason to state my disagreement? Do you really want me to take
you up on this challenge J.J.? I think not. You know full well that I could
and would do this if necessary.
Furthermore, I must note that I did read through quite a bit of the
material in those posts and while I did find much with which I agree, I also
found points with which I disagree and could state an endless stream of valid
reasons for the disagreements. In fairness too, I again state that there were
points with which I agree, for J.J. does make some very excellent points which
I think are easily worth while. Foremost among those is the theme that the
warning principles of the "beast" should be taken into account for
the lessons contained rather than just looking for the specific application as
physically manifest in a form of an oppressive government headed by a primary
anti-Christ figure.
Every person, every family, every business, every church, every government,
every community, every organization has within it the potential to manifest
beastly attributes. I think J.J. and his class did a good job of elaborating
what these are.
Where the discrepancy comes is when it comes to looking at the actual
literal fulfillment of the prophecies so far as an actual totalitarian
government headed by an anti-Christ figure. Therein lies the bottom line of
our disagreement.
J.J.'s point is that those prophecies find strong fulfillment in Hitler,
and that we are now charting a course on this planet in which we very well
could bypass any further major manifestations of this prophecy of the beast.
My point of vehement disagreement is that though yes, Hitler could be seen
as having elements of this beast, he is not the ultimate fulfillment of that
prophecy. On a scale of 1 to 10, I would he was about a 6 or a 7 compared to
what is breathing down our neck now. Things might appear relatively peaceful
now, but it is only the calm before the storm. Satan is putting his last
pieces into place and is about ready to pull the string on the trap. And
J.J.'s teaching that the beast is essentially behind us only lends more
support to the illusions of peace that Satan's master's of deceit are working
so feverishly to perpetrate while they get everything lined up for their final
victory.
And even more important than that, my point of such vigorous exception with
J.J. that I was driving at in my post on Hitler and the beast is that he seems
to completely disregard the fact that there is working today a vast secret
combination or conspiracy whose intent is to establish a global socialist
(Satanic) government, and who are on the brink of fulfilling their dream in
full -- that this mark of the beast, that all people will be forced to take in
their right hand or forehead or be killed, is just around the corner and is
not just symbolic but will be a very real thing -- as real as the 666 that is
encoded into every single UPC code in use today (see http://www.greaterthings.com/Essays/666mark.htm
for an explanation of this.) These conspirators are driving toward an
Orwellian world of extreme proportions.
There is no way J.J. would have all the New Age yuppies on his list if he
spoke against such for they would all leave in droves, for they generally love
the U.N. and socialism. J.J. would loose his credibility with them if he even
so much as mentioned this global conspiracy, let alone expound upon it. His
following would up and cry, "John Bircher!" terrible, let's get out
of here! That is evidenced by the way they have responded to me.
In fact, the mission statement for the list explicitly mentions that such
discussions are not to be had on this list. The spiritweb website is down
today and tomorrow for maintenance or I would quote this statement to you.
It was when J.J. mentioned that New York and London were of Judah, who
represents the scepter of leadership, that major red flags went up in my mind
that not only was J.J. not opposed to this global conspiracy but that he was
perhaps in sympathy and agreement with its propaganda. That was when I posed a
question to J.J. which led to his post on the antichrist, which led to my post
on Hitler being but a foreshadowing of the Beast Tyranny to come.
That said, let me get back now to J.J.'s post and continue my rebuttal.
J.J. says,
> When Sterling attempts to refute me with scripture I notice he throws
out
> numerous large quotations with little examination of their actual content
> whereas I do examine their content very carefully.
Anyone who knows me knows that this statement is absolutely ridiculous. You
need not spend much time on my website before seeing that I am fully capable
of doing an entire discourse or even book on a single verse of scripture. I've
written eighty pages regarding one word (corn) before. J.J. knows of my
capability in this regard for he has subscribed to my Greater Things mailing
list for more than a year now.
Just because in this one particular post I do not seek to elaborate on
scripture does not mean I am not capable of doing just that. In fact, if you
will look up some of the links I gave in my post on Hitler and the beast you
will see that some of them include just such detailed exegesis of scripture.
Very lame argument J.J.; and you know it. You are just grasping at straws,
for I have leveled a major blow to your teachings.
> For instance he throws out Mormon prophecies that deal with the
Mormons and
> links them to Bible prophecies that do not deal with the Mormons.
Blayne answered this well when he explained that these Old Testament
prophecies do pertain to Mormonism on a parallel level. Furthermore, all
scriptures may be applied to all things for our benefit. Since when do we take
a prophecy and say, "No, that doesn't apply to us, it couldn't possibly
be talking about us." That is what the prideful do; and the Mormons are
expert at doing just that -- ignoring scriptures that might reflect negatively
on themselves and thinking they must be about some other people of some other
time.
> The first paragraph in his post is a very deceptive distortion of my
views
> Sterling::
> "The more we get into this thing with J.J. saying Hitler was the
> fulfillment of the prophesied anti-Christ and saying that another is not
> coming for he has already come, the more I realize that herein lies a
> humongous difference between where J.J. is coming from and what I believe
> through painstaking research, experience, and following God's direction
in
> my life's path."
>
> JJ
> I have never said that another antichrist will not come. I have said that
> if the freedom loving people of the world do their part, an antichrist
> like Hitler will not succeed in dominating the world as we approach the
new
> age. On the other hand, if enough people desire this potential antichrist
> and fear and dread is spread abroad, then it is entirely possible that we
> will manifest that which we conjure up [...]
I will agree that I did not quite represent your take accurately on this
point, and in trying to make my point I may have exaggerated your stance to
emphasize the difference. I agree that you have indeed said that yet another
anti-Christ could come. I saw statements to that effect as I was preparing my
post. But because you downplayed the actual potential threat to such a large
extent, in my opinion, you are all but saying the danger is past when in
reality it is most grave.
It is one thing to say we could turn these things away. I agree that we
could turn them away with sufficient awakening and repentance. And I say that
very thing in my teachings -- repeatedly. The word "repent*" is
found in 265 documents on my web site. The phrase "turn away" is
found 41 times.
It is an entirely different matter, however, to talk as though it is almost
a done deal -- that we have almost completely accomplished just such a turning
away of the terrible destructions prophesied to happen. That is the feeling I
get in your writings. Will you deny that? In fact, I would dare say that this
is one of the reasons you have the following that you do is because you speak
smooth things. People don't like hearing that they need to repent. Not in the
least.
So a correction of my statement would be
"The more we get into this thing with J.J. saying Hitler was
essentially the primary fulfillment of the prophesied anti-Christ and saying
that another is not likely to come, the more I realize that herein lies a
humongous difference between where J.J. is coming from and what I
believe."
I think J.J. would have to admit that this is an accurate portrayal of what
he has said and still believes, and it still emphasizes the point I was
driving at in my post, namely that J.J. disregards the existence of a vast
global conspiracy today that is on the brink of bringing in a fulfillment of
the prophecy of the beast on a level far surpassing what we saw with Hitler.
Furthermore, we need not even look to the future to show that this beast
will be worst than Hitler, for already in the century-long rise to its current
status, it is responsible for billions lives being lost in war, famine,
abortion, tainted vaccinations, etc.
As for bringing something about by merely worrying about it, I will agree
that this is a true phenomenon. However, the scriptures do not advocate the
approach of worrying about these things. They advocate awakening to full
vigilance and rousing to repentance and putting on strength so as to be able
to be victorious in the end.
It is one thing to awaken to a full realization and mobilize. It is another
to be ignorant of the full scope and be caught up in the deceptions and help
to bring about one's own demise.
<snip>
> what is meant by the children turning their hearts
> to their fathers?
>
> Answer: This means that we should study the history of our fathers or
> those who came before us, not only from the scriptures but from all
> possible accurate historical records.
>
> Why?
>
> Because history repeats itself if we do not learn the lessons of our
> fathers. This is one reason why the study of the rise of Nazi Germany and
> Hitler are so important. If we understand what happened here we can
> prevent another antichrist from coming to the surface. A Hitler in this
> age would be much more dangerous than one previously because we now have
> the power to destroy human existence as we know it.>
> Thus one key to preventing the "utter destruction" of the earth
is to learn
> from the mistakes of our fathers.
Can you see that in making this statement J.J. is all but oblivious to the
fact that the socialist-communist conspiracy has already and will yet incur
far more travesty than Hitler ever achieved. What about Stalin? What about
Mao? What about Breshnev? What about Clinton? To that alarming fact, the
people of this land are very ignorant; and our repentance as a people in this
regard is close to nil. We are embracing socialism at every turn.
I was sickened at heart and almost left speechless, for example, when Cheri
and I had our baby in the hospital because of a complication, and our midwives
were surprised that we were not going to seek help from Medicaid to pay the
bill. I would have never thought my midwives who know so much about what is
happening to our country in this regard would give even a fleeting thought to
such a thing. That's not my money. It is legalized plunder, and I will not
partake of it.
No, we have not repented. Not even close. We are going to have to see
vividly the folly of our deception by having the consequences come upon us in
all their fury.
This morning I finished reading a story about General George Patton and how
his hands were tied during World War II not only to bring an earlier end to
the war, but actually enabling the Red army to establish a stronghold in East
Berlin and in the Eastern Block Countries. He was no fool in seeing that this
Soviet Ally was a potentially worst enemy than Hitler, and he advocated that
the army be enabled to continue the campaign in getting the Reds out of the
territory they had occupied. His life was cut short in an automobile
"accident" on Dec. 9, 1995.
The portion of the account that struck me to the core was as follows:
<quote>
In April 1995, the Third Army had crossed the Rhine, rolled across Germany,
and were within 50 miles of Berlin, when Patton's superiors issued a nearly
inexplicable order: He was ordered to withdraw 100 miles west, over captured
territory. The vacuum was quickly filled by the Red Army, which swarmed over
Czechoslovakia and eastern Germany.
"This war stopped right where it started," observed Patton during
a closed, off-the-record press conference on May 8, 1945. "Right in the
Hun's backyard which is now Hitler's graveyard. But that's not the end of this
business by any means. What the tin-soldier politicians in Washington and
Paris have managed to do today is another story you'll be writing for a long
while.... They have allowed us to kick the hell out of one bastard and at the
same time forced us to help establish a second one as evil or more evil than
the first. We have won a series of battles, not a war for peace. We're headed
down another long road to losing another peace."
</end quote>
(Source: The New American, Dec. 20, 1999, p. 38.)
<snip>
> Too many Bible believers have withdrawn their responsibility to make
the> world better for our children. Instead they sit around waiting for God
to
> destroy the world and wind up being of no use to God or man in the
process..
This is true to a certain extent. But also true is that many once awakened
to an awareness of our awful situation are rallied to action. They become
involved in activist organizations to defend this or that cause or to promote
this or that remedy. That is the desired end of such knowledge, and is indeed
the actual effect once a person works through the fear and becomes mobilized
to action.
<snip>
> Instead of
> sitting back and waiting for God to do it, our hearts must reach across
time
> and sense our personal responsibility to rising generations.
>
> If we sense this what will we do?
>
> (1) Seek to bring peace on earth through the free will of man
yes
> (2) Seek the mutual elimination of weapons of mass destruction.
This only plays into the hands of the liars who make treaties so the good
guys get rid of their weapons, and then they come in and pounce once they are
sufficiently disarmed. Hearts must change first before weapons are destroyed.
That was the reason for the second amendment to the Constitution. The final
and last-resort check on power is arms in the hands of private citizens who
can therefore resist tyranny on that level if needs be. The guns are not the
problem. It is the hearts of the people who own the guns (or nuclear weapons)
that must be changed first.
> (3) Seek to cease polluting the earth and being an enemy to nature.
yes
> (4) Seek to love our neighbor as ourselves.
of course -- and this includes not supporting socialism which legally
steals from one person to give to another rather than such redistributions
happening out of the goodness of the hearts of the people.
> (5) Seek to love children yet unborn as ourselves.
yes
<snip>
> "Learn the lessons of history and leave the world a better place
than we
> found it.">
> We are on the cusp of a new era and have learned some things and do have
> enough people on the earth with enough light to make a difference. If
good
> men do nothing but wait for doom, we are indeed doomed; but if good
people
> follow the highest they know and seek guidance of the Holy Spirit, then
> salvation will be ours and this salvation is what I teach without
apology.
Yes, it is good to teach this. I teach this too.
However, where you err is in not recognizing the nature of the beast that
seeks to destroy us. Proper mobilization against the beast requires proper
understanding of the beast. On this count, you get a D-. Not an F, for at
least you teach some points of value in overcoming the beast. But in general,
your teachings lend more to the illusion of the identity of the beast thus
facilitating its ability to gain the upper hand. That is why I wrote what I
wrote.
Sincerely,
Sterling D. Allan
