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Reconciliation: At What Cost?

Lessons from a painful divorce from an abusive husband and the ramifications for Outcasts liberated from the controls of the LDS unrighteous dominion.

From: Susan Carter
Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 5:30 AM
Subject: Re: [lds_reconciliation] At what cost?

James has brought up an interesting point: why don't we reconcile first and then see if there shall be a second reconciliation.  Concerning the second reconciliation I have  a few thoughts.
 
This all reminds me of my first marriage.  It was an abusive one, but I hung in there for 15 years thinking somehow there would be a miracle.  We parted more than once and reconciled because it just killed me to break up our family.  As I matured and studied, I realized that I had done all I could do and there was no corollary reaching out to me from my husband nor repentance nor admittance of his problems.  After 3 years of intensive marital counseling, the counselor looked me in the eye after a six month reconciliation and said, "Are you convinced you have done everything in your power, and I mean EVERYTHING to save this marriage?"  With sobs I admitted I had.  It was lunacy on my part to have hung on so long.  I divorced, but because of his vindictive nature he took custody of the children in a very long and expensive battle.  He always claimed to have loved me, claimed up until 13 years AFTER the divorce that he still cared about me too much to be around me and be nice.  His version of love was control.
 
I do not see the LDS church in a much different light.  It seems those that are outcast are reaching out to the church in a hopeless effort of reconciliation while the Church does not show any signs of repenting its part of the problem nor even admitting them.  There are pockets of hope, but they are in the lay leadership, not at the top.  Fruitless reconciliation is a painful process, but sometimes we just have to try to live with ourselves and say, "I did EVERYTHING I could possibly do without sacrificing my self worth and dignity (and sometimes did even that) and there is nothing else I could do."  Their version of "saving" is also control. 
 
They want to control us so that we will not expose their weaknesses neither personal nor corporate.  It stems from an incorrect paradigm started about Wilford Woodruff's time, the infallibility of the prophet.  If that is so why did Joseph make provisions in the leadership to call a prophet to repentance?  Why does Isiaih tell us that the leaders will be corrupt?  It does not weaken my faith to see my leaders struggling with their own issues.  It only makes them stronger in my eyes:  to serve despite their weaknesses.  It humbles them to know that even with leadership and gifts they are fallible and subject to the same things we are.  As we watch them conquer their weaknesses it gives up hope we can conquer ours.  I know Joseph Smith was a prophet of God.  I also know he made mistakes even when speaking as a prophet.  But so what?  This life is to learn discernment and not to rely on any man with blind faith.  Our strength is Christ, the Holy Ghost and our Father.  In them we must rely.
 
My experience tells me that following leaders blindly is dangerous.  There are Bishops and Stake Presidents who abuse sex, alchohol, drugs and so forth  (My staunch LDS parents tell me of these things in special 10 Step LDS Meetings).  I know of similar things personally.  If this is so at this level are we naive to think it does not occur at higher levels, too?  Shall we follow these men in unrighteousness?  No, of course not.  Are they all weak vapid men?  Of course not. 
 
Are we safe in following the majority of the Twelve?  Will they never lead us astray?  Their combined wisdom in General Conference is pretty basic.  I do not believe they will lead us in strange paths; however, like Moses, we may be left to wander in a spiritual desert for 40 years because of the wickedness of the general church.  We get the leaders we deserve and can handle.  Perhaps some of the brethren ache to give us meat, but have been restrained from doing so because of the wickedness of the people. 
 
When my children would not listen to me, I had to impose more and more rules.  Their field of freedom narrowed considerably.  Perhaps the Lord is dealing with us in a similar way.  If we will not live the higher laws he will give us the lesser with a corollary lessening of blessings (or spiritual gifts).  Perhaps we will tire of our severe restrictions and cry out to God for more.  Perhaps we are experiencing punishments "unto the third or fourth generation" because of the traditions of our fathers and we need to plead to the Lord for relief.  Perhaps if the general populace of the church truly desired to repent, the Lord would bless us with Leaders who gave us the meat of Zion. 
 
Perhaps the general populace of the church are blinded thinking "all is well in Zion" and if we err God will punish us with a few stripes?  Perhaps those that are being excommunicated are leaving a felt vacancy in the wards.  I know member missionary work has fallen dramatically in the last 10-15 years.  Is that because many of the stalwarts who would do the work are now outcast? 
 
The pattern in the scriptures has always been that the true church apostasizes and the Lord starts anew with a remnant of his Saints.  We keep thinking we will avoid this scenario somehow, that we are different.  We keep hoping against hope that the people of the Church will repent, the Lord will again reveal His will and we wll become Zion.  We pray that we will be Ninevah again and stay the destructions by our repentance. 
 
Now to the first suggestion:  the reconciliation among the outcasts first.  Unless each individual outcast takes the beam out of his own eye first instead of concentrating on the beam in the churches eye we won't move forward either.  Unless we repent (turn away from and re-aim better) of our follies, unless we have a personal relationship with Christ, unless we are performing miracles, unless we have happy homes, and UNTIL we are an example of righeousness. we will not prick the hearts of the people nor the leaders.  Until we learn to be patient with other's weaknesses, care for one another, be truly charitable, and act like true saints of God, we are no better off than our blinded brethren. 

Our eyes have been opened, but have we truly had a change of heart?  And if we did once can we still say that we are experiencing the fruits of that change?  Are we kinder to our spouses and our children and our friends?  Do we have the Love of God in our hearts or are we so bitter at our cruel treatement that we can think of nothing else?  Do we walk our talk?
 
It is harder to be faithful without the strict guidelines and structure of the church.  There is no one asking us if we have loved our neighbor (done our home teaching).  There is no one saying did you set aside some time to worship and commune (go to church or the temple).  There is no one calling us to positions of care where we can grow through service.  We must look around us and find the need and fill it.  There is no one asking us if we live the Word of Wisdom.  Are we living the higher law or the lesser now?  Are we still stuck in the letter of the law instead of the spirit of the law?  There is no one patting us on the back and stroking our ego every week for a job well done--a lesson, a song, a talk.  There is no one coming to your home to visit once a month even if it is on the last day for a little fellowship.  There are no socials or parties to attend to bond with our neighbors.  There are no baptisms to attend to remind us of the promises we have made to our Father.  There are no special firesides to lift us up when we are weary.  It is just us and God. 
 
We have more time now that we don't have so many church assignments.  What do we do with it?  We have more knowledge now because of all our years of study.  Are we more wise, too?  We are free to fellowship with one another, why don't we do it?  Because we aren't assigned to?  We have been led like children within the church having our every move practically dictated for us.  Shall we grow up to be spiritual adults or shall we long for childhood?  If we still act like children who need rules we should go back to "school" and not expect any respect from the other school children who see us as just playing hooky.  When we are spiritual adults, the children will naturally turn to us for guidance. 
 
If we are still children spiritually and try to reconcile together first, we will end up just creating another school for children.  Until we are true spiritual adults we will not form an adult organization, Zion. 
 
Susan
 
I watch this journey, wincing as I am pretty sure of the outcome.  But there is a part of me that still says, maybe just maybe there will be repentance on both sides this time.  My experience and good sense tell me otherwise, but hopes die hard, even in someone who should know better.
 
Susan

 

----- Original Message -----
From: ***
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 10:49 AM
Subject: [lds_reconciliation] At what cost?

Since the gospel is only in the wilderness should we seek reconciliation? Are we forsaking the truth to embrace treachery? Let them repent. And if there are a group of true saint outcasts, why don't they get on with it and show  something for the world to wonder about.
 
I have been waiting a long, long time to fellowship true saints. Maybe we could reconcile amongst ourselves first and see if a second reconciliation is appropriate.
 
James
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