Tornado in SLC:
Repent Ye Mormons
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From: OTIOoyate@aol.com <OTIOoyate@aol.com>
To: sterling@greaterthings.com <sterling@greaterthings.com>
Date: Thursday, August 12, 1999 7:27 PM
Subject: Repent Ye

Wakinya Ska:

Right on!  'Bro'!   I'll study the message later and give ideas.  The Indian records I have removed from SLC are one indication of the destruction coming upon those who have rejected the calling of the Icjeca Oyate, and Tunkasila (Great Spirit)!

See OTIO index

From: Greg A. Anderson (ByondF1)
To: 'Sterling D. Allan' <sterlingda@GreaterThings.com>
Date: Thursday, August 12, 1999 7:29 PM
Subject: RE: Tornado in SLC: Repent Ye Mormons

I think you are WAY off base on this one. Anyway I really don't have time to read any more emails. Please remove me from your list.

Thanx.

From: Susan Carter
To: Greater Things <Greater_Things-owner@listbot.com>
Date: Thursday, August 12, 1999 7:40 PM
Subject: Re: Tornado in SLC: Repent Ye Mormons

I also felt the path was very significant.

From: Susan Carter <crtrfam@manti.com>
To: ****
Date: Thursday, August 12, 1999 7:41 PM
Subject: [SHULEMNA] todd MAYAN PROPHECY

Todd [Troy] when you were video taping the Mayan meetings [June 14-16], do you recall that they said that August 11th was to be a significant day and to watch for natural disasters in the Utah, Colorado, New Mexico area and that it was just the beginning? That is my recollection but it would be helpful if you could review your tape.

Susan

From: MIke Nielsen <light@manti.com>
To: Sterling D. Allan <sterlingda@GreaterThings.com>
Date: Thursday, August 12, 1999 7:49 PM
Subject: YES!

Sterling,

We saw the same symbols and felt this was a message from God too!  Great analysis!

Lori

From: Leavitt, Jared M <jared.m.leavitt@intel.com>
To: 'Sterling D. Allan' <sterlingda@GreaterThings.com>
Date: Thursday, August 12, 1999 7:50 PM
Subject: RE: Tornado in SLC: Repent Ye Mormons

you're a joke, leave me off of your stupid emails, I am sure God speaks to you on a daily basis

[And what's wrong with that?]

From: Scott Anderson <scottstrongeagleanderson@yahoo.com>
To: Sterling D. Allan <sterlingda@GreaterThings.com>
Date: Thursday, August 12, 1999 9:29 PM
Subject: Re: Tornado in SLC: Repent Ye Mormons

Very astute... I was just telling a traditional Cherokee leader just about the same thing this afternoon.

Yesterday may well have been the end of the times of the gentiles, as the symbol of the cross (more accurately the four directions symbol of indiginous peoples) over the europe during the eclipse.

Tomorrow is the long awaited Mayan August Friday the 13th "day of destiny". Nostradamus predicted the event long ago.

Scotty

From: Eric Sherwood <esherwoo@direct.ca>
To: Sterling D. Allan <sterlingda@GreaterThings.com>
Date: Friday, August 13, 1999 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: Tornado in SLC: Repent Ye Mormons

You sound as if the Mormon religion is the only hope for Mankind, and yet most of "christendom" regard Mormonism as little more than a cult. [Ed. Note: This issue is addressed again below in Zena's post. A response is posted there.]

I studied a little of this religion. And I for one don't believe that joe smith was dictated to by the angel Moroni. (sounds like an Italian angel to me) He had no winesses to it. And God doesn't do things in secret. He had 12 witnesses to attest to Jesus' life. He would not have left in secret the testimony of a book as important as the book of momon to one man,who we ended up hanging as a criminal. Any relevant information given in the book of Momon is available in the Old and new testament. So why would God give us a new "revelation"?

[This e-mail comment spurred a series of more than a dozen letters back and forth. I can forward these if you would like to follow the thread. sterlingda@greaterthings.com . Ask for the "Eric Sherwood" thread. The first reply read as follows:]

REPLY:
From: Sterling D. Allan <sterlingda@GreaterThings.com>
To: Eric Sherwood <esherwoo@direct.ca>
Date: Friday, August 13, 1999 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: Tornado in SLC: Repent Ye Mormons

The whole essence theme of my web site "Greater Things" is that God is always wanting to give us greater light and knowledge.  If you think what we have is enough, then you are halted in your progress.  When we're ready for more, God gives us more.

Sterling D. Allan
http://www.GreaterThings.com
new scripture word studies

From: *****
To: Greater_Things-owner@listbot.com
Date: Friday, August 13, 1999 12:19 AM
Subject: Re: Tornado in SLC: Repent Ye Mormons

Just a question in my mind after reading your report. Are you an active
member of the church? My wife also curious.   Please clarify! Thanks. Ron

REPLY:
From: Sterling D. Allan <sterlingda@GreaterThings.com>
To: ****
Date: Friday, August 13, 1999 7:14 AM
Subject: Re: Tornado in SLC: Repent Ye Mormons

I am an extremely active member of the body of Christ (D&C 10:69).  My activities are devoted to His service 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

Thanks for asking.

Sterling D. Allan

From: BNaylor9@aol.com
To: sterlingda@greaterthings.com
Date: Friday, August 13, 1999 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: test

Dear Brother Silver Thunder,

Yep, got your "Tornado in SLC: Repent Ye Mormons" this A.M. (Friday) and just absolutely loved it!  Your insights are so amazing to me and coupled with your exceptional writing ability makes your thoughts a thrill to read.  I forwarded this to another like minded friend of mine that I'm sure will appreciate it as well.  Many thanks! . . . .

May the Lord continue to bless you Sterling,

Bill

From: Jeanette Skeem <hiddenoasis@hotmail.com>
To: sterlingda@GreaterThings.com <sterlingda@GreaterThings.com>
Date: Friday, August 13, 1999 1:32 PM
Subject: Re: Tornado in SLC: Repent Ye Mormons

Sterling,

It sure looks like the tornado in SL was taking a swipe at church and state, like you say. My question for the day is: If this was a warning for the church to repent, how are dense people suppose to get that idea when there is no prophet standing on the wall or walking up and down the streets pointing out the fact that we are in for judgments if we don't clean up our act, as was done in olden days? Things will just go on as before. The leaders of the church are not giving warnings about future events. Sure, they give nice sermons and tell people to live good lives. But no one is out there telling what is coming. And it aint gonna be no picnic neither!The way it is, the weathermen all get together and figure out the scientific reason the tornado-that-was-never-suppose-to-happen, did happen. Explain it all away as an act of nature. Everybody goes, "ah ha,yes, I see. A freak accident." Who is going to put two and two together? Even though this type of thing has never happened before, unless someone who is called to be a leader of the people, gets up and says "Thus saith the Lord"....I don't think many people will get the picture. What good is a warning from God, when no one knows it was from Him, and not just some freak accident as they
suppose, as no one prophecied that it would happen? Hmmm....

Jeanette

From: Allan <Flint@qdq.com>
To: Sterling D. Allan <sterlingda@GreaterThings.com>
Date: Saturday, August 14, 1999 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: Tornado in SLC: Repent Ye Mormons

Sterling,

My thoughts to a T.  . . . I did not think of stating the warning to government as a shot across the bow.  I thought that was a great way of putting it. Secondly, I thought the Recreation Expo in the tent and Wydam Hotel represented the idolatry to recreation industry. Thirdly the Delta center represented super hero idolatry and sports and
coliseums like in Rome.

Allan   I amWeareone!

From: ****
To: Sterling D. Allan <sterlingda@GreaterThings.com>
Date: Monday, August 16, 1999 7:31 AM
Subject: Re: Tornado in SLC: Repent Ye Mormons

Please remove me from your mailing list. Thank you.

From: Michael Morris <michaelm@natr.com>
To: 'sterlingda@greaterthings.com' <sterlingda@greaterthings.com>
Date: Monday, August 16, 1999 3:32 PM
Subject: FW: Tornado in SLC: Repent Ye Mormons

I also found the tornado's path rather interesting, but I was not surprised that the temple was spared. Speaking of repentance, when are you going to return to the Church?

REPLY
From: Sterling D. Allan <sterlingda@GreaterThings.com>
To: Michael Morris <michaelm@natr.com>
Date: Monday, August 16, 1999 3:53 PM
Subject: Re. rebapt

They don't want me.

I'm too much of an Abinadi.  It embarrasses them.

Thanks for asking, though.

Sterling

From: Randall D Shortridge <rdshortridge@juno.com>
To: Shulemna@eagle-net.org
Date: Tuesday, August 17, 1999 5:41 AM
Subject: Re: [SHULEMNA] Re: SLC

Another relevant scripture about the tornado....

Doctrine & Covenants  59 : 21
And in nothing doth man offend God, or against none is his wrath kindled, save those who CONFESS NOT HIS HAND IN ALL THINGS, and obey not his commandments.  (capitals added for emphasis)

There has been a lot of talk from mainstream LDS on a.r.m. that this tornado was just an accident of nature.    Hmmmm. 

Poe-Tai

The path of the storm. After the "freik" storm. Doesn't look TOO bad.
All is well (?); Carry On (?)
or is there a message here

From: Xena Warrior Princess <mamasita2u@hotmail.com>
To: sterlingda@GreaterThings.com
Date: Friday, August 20, 1999 7:25 AM
Subject: FW: Tornado in SLC: Repent Ye Mormons

Let me get this straight:

1. an F-2 is now a "big one"? What, maybe 50 feet wide? And I thought a mile wide F-5 was considered big. And what about the discussion this past year of extending the scale to F-6 for the "Super Storm"?

2. 113 miles per hour only rates as a weak hurricane wind. Yes, it will break a few branches, downing some power lines and damaging cars in the process. It can tear off roofs of buildings not built to withstand such rare events. But it still isn't major, it's just rare.

3. o.k. so there is an eclipse on the opposite side of the earth 12 hours earlier. Let's see, an eclipse happens about once per year, a tornado touches the earth several times a day within 12 time zones either way of where an eclipse is seen. Probability of both occurring on the same day: roughly once per year. Probability of tornado in Salt Lake City: considerably less.

4. Tornado strikes a non-LDS building - God's out to strike down the heathens!

5. Tornado misses Temple Square - God spares his own house.

6. 113 mph tornado knocks over a top heavy construction crane, which isn't designed to hold up in 60 mph winds, crane falls on top of assembly hall - God's wrath is poured out upon the religious idolatry.

7. Tornado MISSES the state capitol - it's a shot across the bow. Wait a second! Why is this interpreted so differently from when the tornado missed Temple Square?!

8. Nothing is said about the run down homes between Temple Square and the Avenues, which were damaged by the storm. Was God venting His wrath upon the poor neighborhoods?

9. One house, which was well insured by someone, who could afford it, and whose anonymous life we cannot inspect for righteousness or evil, gets the roof torn off - God is punishing them for their materialism.

Sounds like a reasonable interpretation to me. {tongue deeply in cheek}

Please ... I'm waiting to be impressed.

REPLY:
From: Sterling D. Allan <sterlingda@GreaterThings.com>
To: Xena Warrior Princess <mamasita2u@hotmail.com>
Date: Friday, August 20, 1999 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: Tornado in SLC: Repent Ye Mormons

Zena,

Thanks for your well-thought-out criticism to my post on "SLC Tornado: Repent Ye Mormons."

The first general comment I would make, which touches on all of your criticisms of my observations, is that in drawing symbolic representation, the relative size of the event and the actual people involved are not as much the issue as what they represent as a metaphor.

Yes, the SLC Tornado was a relatively small one, especially compared to the sizes we have seen come in this nation, such as the recent one in Oklahoma that warranted the creation of a sixth category: F6.  Also, the devastation the SLC Tornado created is like a Sunday picnic compared to what the people in Turkey are dealing with right now, in which tens of thousands of people are still unaccounted for and thousands of large structures have been significantly damaged if not leveled.  This certainly puts the oft-used Salt Lake disaster word "overwhelmed" into perspective.

Why then would this pidly little tornado in Salt Lake City warrant such compelling metaphorical interest?

Before saying more, let me refer you to a synthesis commentary Rich Kuchinsky compiled, using several observations including mine.  It is more thorough in logging from beginning to end the entire path of the tornado, and the surgical destruction it imposed so as to beg for metaphorical observation.

It is posted at

www.GreaterThings.com/Word-Number/Tornado/Newby.htm

I personally cannot imagine a more perfect path the Tornado might have taken so as to create a commentary more compelling than the one it took.

Salt Lake City. "Crossroads of the West," it is called, mirroring Jerusalem of Old, which was the "crossroads of the East."  It is the headquarters of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, which is the most accountable body of Christians when it comes to the latter-day work of the Lord's gentile husbandmen to prepare for his second coming.  Notice I said, "most accountable," not "most righteous," for the studies I have done show that this church harbors both some of the most holy men and women on the planet as well as some of the most hypocritical, which in its extreme becomes the grossest form of wickedness, for it qualifies one to become a son of perdition.

No, Salt Lake City is not just another city of the millions of cities that dot this planet.  It is the hub of righteousness and wickedness in these latter-days.  It is the center stage of the great and marvelous work of the Lord as he divides the wheat from the tares.

So when a tornado, a "whirlwind" if you will, goes ripping through the heart of Salt Lake city -- an extremely unusual natural phenomenon -- taking a path by the state's most prominent landmarks, on a prophetically significant calendar day, when spiritual people the world over are anticipating unusual events, this is something that should be taken note of and pondered for its significance.  Can you not see that this is a powerful way for the Lord to shine the spotlight on his apostate covenant people?

For those with humble hearts, who look for the coming of the Lord and the signs associated therewith, this is about as rich a sign as can be given.

I stand by my observations, again inviting you to visit the "feedback" page mentioned above for additional insights offered by other individuals.

Furthermore, I invite you to take a look at the "811--August 11: SLC Tornado Foretold in Alphabetics Bible Code" document at

www.GreaterThings.com/Word-Number/Tornado/811_Aug11.htm

It is my witness that the Lord who inspired the words of the Bible and who continues to watch over his children concurs with the significance and symbolism of the SLC tornado when it comes to the world of Mormons and even Christians in general.  There was a message there, and we ought to pay heed (i.e. repent and draw near the Lord, rather than just pretend we are his people because our church is called by his name).

Sincerely,

Sterling D. Allan

This first post came prior to Bill's "Tornado in SLC"-relevant post which follows.

From: BILL BRYANT <scarab41@hotmail.com>
To: sterlingda@GreaterThings.com <sterlingda@GreaterThings.com>
Date: Thursday, August 19, 1999 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: Protectionaism

sterling

[ . . . ]

I do have a question for you. You seem critical of the prophet and apostles--i see your point about people following the man (prophet) and they lose sight of Christ, but that is not the brethren's fault---The Lord himself said to receive the prophets voice as if its my own and think of all the people that come into the church--most are the uneducated and poor of the earth and most of them can only handle skim milk. So, my question is ...are you an active member of the church?

REPLY:
From: Sterling D. Allan <sterlingda@GreaterThings.com>
To: BILL BRYANT <scarab41@hotmail.com>
Date: Thursday, August 19, 1999 7:50 PM
Subject: Active?

YOU ASKED: So, my question is ...are you an active member of the church?

MY REPLY: I am an extremely active member of the body of Christ (D&C 10:69).  My activities are devoted to His service 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

Thanks for asking.

Sterling D. Allan

This is now Bill's reply, which ties in to the Tornado in SLC

From: BILL BRYANT <scarab41@hotmail.com>
To: sterlingda@GreaterThings.com
Date: Friday, August 20, 1999 9:05 AM
Subject: Re: Active?

okay, i guess that is a no---also i read the replies regarding the tornado--it seems there are some people who replied who know you and it would appear you are not a member anymore. Anyway, another question is this: it would also appear you believe in the Book of Mormon and D&C. Assuming this how can you have negative views towards the prophets and apostles? I can see how you might not like a certain personality but to hold beliefs in the BOM and D&C and yet reject Christ's church (notwithstanding the problems individuals within have) is a real conundrum for me. Care to share your rationale?

REPLY:
From: Sterling D. Allan <sterlingda@GreaterThings.com>
To: BILL BRYANT <scarab41@hotmail.com>
Date: Friday, August 20, 1999 9:50 AM
Subject: Dejavoux: the Mormons and the Jews

It's called "This is what it would have been like to live at the time of Jesus Christ when the [true] church was in a state of apostasy, and the most humble followers often found themselves removed from the good graces of the hypocritical leadership, who ended up crucifying the Lord."

The first shall be last, and the last shall be first.

Israel, Gentiles, Gentiles, Israel.

The time of the Gentiles is drawing to a close. The remnant wheat are being gathered out from the midst of the tares, who are being gathered in bundles to be burned. I certainly don't delight in the prospects of anyone burning. That is why my voice of warning goes forth. Care to listen?

My site is chuck full of scriptural evidence for this paradigm, and invitations for each individual to draw near the Lord, to become a prophet, rather than just "follow the prophet" who happens to be leading this people to the brink of hell -- not a hell that we think of in Sunday School, where the sinners go after they die, but a hell of tribulation, captivity, chastisement, occupation by foreign troops, concentration camps, rapes, pillaging -- all because we have not stood up for freedom as was our destiny to do. Freedom vouchsafed by a carefully-reigned-in government, as prescribed well by the Constitution of the United States, which we were to rally around and build upon, to create a world government of freedom and peace. Instead most saints are either actively or passively promoting the New World Order, which is Satan's government of compulsion. Oops, wrong program.

Do you blame me for no longer being "active" among that body of hypocrites, though I yet acknowledge them as being the Lord's people? So were the Jews. That is not necessarily a compliment.

Does that help?

Sterling D. Allan
http://www.GreaterThings.com
new scripture word studies

From: Randall Shortridge <rds@acsu.buffalo.edu>
To: Sterling D. Allan <sterlingda@GreaterThings.com>
Date: Friday, August 20, 1999 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: SLC

Sterling.  Yeah, I was quite pleased and amazed to read your timely
comments on the symbolism in the SL tornado.  Yes, there is truly
symbolism in all things about us... we only need to look for it.

Also, you (and everyone else) is always free to use anything that I
write... whereever you might think it useful.

Best of all,
Randall

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