811--August 11 Tornado in Salt Lake City FORETOLD in Alphabetics Bible Code
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From: Benjamin (Dex) Devey <dexd@natr.com>
To: 'Greater Things' <Greater_Things-owner@listbot.com>
Date: Friday, August 20, 1999 10:29 AM
Subject: This Day Foretold

I just checked today's date to see what the lexicon says about your post. Here's what I get under 8/20:

Greek: Negative particle, unhonored or dishonored; despised, without honor, less honorable.

Hebrew: desolate place

Strong's concordance, pg. 820: pursue, pursued, pursuer

Just in case you sent the post yesterday, I looked up the prophecies for word 819:

Greek: infamy, comparative indignity, disgrace, dishonor, reproach, shame, vile.

Hebrew: guiltiness, a fault, offend, sin (cause of ) trespass.

Strong's main concordance pg. 819: publisheth, puffed, puffeth, punishment (& variants), purchase, pureness and purge.

Random House College Dictionary: marketing, marking, marmalade, marmoset, maroon, marplot (a person who mars or defeats a plan, design or project by officious interference--would that be Sterling, me, or would it be the lackluster response of his audience?), marquee, Marrano (a Jew converted to Christianity under duress, but who adheres to Judaism in secret--how interesting, I never knew that!), and marriage.

What does it mean? That Sterling is delusional in his indignity, shame and reproach? Or has Sterling uncovered the maniacal plot of the dark forces? Is Clinton the dishonored one, or Sterling, for posting his plea on this particular day? Where does the reproach lie? Who's the marplot, Sterling? Or am I--for discovering the day he sent his revelatory letter? Who puffeth? Who purgeth?

I could go on, drawing whatever conclusions fit my preferences, then you could draw your own conclusions which would no doubt fit your purposes. But in either case, it wouldn't prove anything except the manipulatibility of words to fit whatever purposes we want them to serve. In the end, this methodology neither proves, nor disproves anything. Any relevance we want to wrest from the alphanumerics is suspect to the egos, motives and agendas of the person seeking glory, recognition or vindication.

You may forward this, as you wish. Let me know what you think.

Benjamin

P.S.: I had to see what the Book of Books had to say about this prophecy, so I turned to pg. 820 of the Bible. See what you think.

Proverbs 9, beginning verse 6: "Forsake the foolish and live, and go in the way of understanding. He that reproveth a scorner getteth to himself shame, and he that rebuketh a wicked man getteth himself a blot. Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee. Rebuke a wise man and he will love thee. Give instruction to a wise man and he will be yet wiser. Teach a just man, and he will increase in learning. The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, and the knowledge of the holy is understanding."

Proverbs 10:8--The wise in heart will receive commandments, but a prating fool shall fall. He that walketh uprightly walketh surely, but he that perverteth his ways shall be known."

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REPLY:
From: Sterling D. Allan <sterlingda@GreaterThings.com>
To: Benjamin (Dex) Devey <dexd@natr.com>
Date: Friday, August 20, 1999 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: This Day Foretold

Awesome response. I honestly am glad to get it, and will post it as the first reply I have gotten [to this post], even though it appears to be a major slam on my paradigm. I don't take it as such.

It is a great question asker. Ask and ye shall receive. It is questions and points like this that help us to define just what it is that we have found and ascertain its value.

I'm not sure that I will be responding point-by-point to what you bring up here. There are two reasons for this. First, I believe I have already addressed many of your points in previous explanations found on my web site. Second, I have yet to address many of these, and would like to do it more formally as part of a more detailed introduction to the whole concept of Alphabetics.

But briefly, for now, let me say that on one of your main points you are very right. There is much room for interpretation with these things. To me that is a beautiful aspect because it then takes on a "liken to us" mode, with squirm room for repentance, rather than a dictatorial "this is the way it is and you can't do anything about it." This interpretability of the Alphabetics code of necessity requires the input of the Spirit, otherwise it is just a mass of confusion.

At the same time, some connections are so tight, we have to acknowledge that there is a correlation, which then leads to the question of WHY? That is when we start into the "liken to us" mode, so that it might be of benefit.

p.s. keep up the good work with your "Learning Love and Life" newsletter.

Sterling

From: David
To: 'Greater Things' <Greater_Things-owner@listbot.com>
Date: Friday, August 20, 1999 1:51 PM
Subject: RE: SLC Tornado Foretold in Alphabetics Bible Code

I can't say everybody is so quiet about your revelations, Sterling.

. . . I believe that in Clinton's case at least God gives a damn.

--David

From: Karen Robbins <karnella@netzero.com>
To: Greater Things <Greater_Things-owner@listbot.com>
Date: Friday, August 20, 1999 2:12 PM
Subject: Re: SLC Tornado Foretold in Alphabetics Bible Code

The reason I haven't responded to the Clinton Aids thing.  I don't know how to respond really.  I believe that the Lord is the one who should be doing the punishing.  Revenge belongs to the Lord.  Injecting someone with the Aids virus is awful even for someone who deserves it.  You sound just giddy about the whole thing.  I don't like Clinton either, but to rejoice in his demise seems a bit barbaric to me.  So if it does come out that Clinton does indeed have Aids.   What does it mean?  That it proves that your Bible code works?  That God told this man to kill the president?  or that God approves of this plot to assassinate Clinton because it was encoded in the Bible?  You can see how this bible code could be used as a sorry excuse for those who do wrong?  I for one don't want to see your code proven correct because it could be used for evil purposes.  For instance someone might say "I had this premonition of sorts to kill so and so, so I looked it up in the code to make sure and yep it said I should".  I know, you're probably thinking I'm over reacting.  Maybe so, but it's just my opinion.

I do enjoy your web page and newsletters, keep them coming.

Thanks,

Karen

REPLY:
From: Sterling D. Allan <sterlingda@GreaterThings.com>
To: Karen Robbins <karnella@netzero.com>
Date: Friday, August 20, 1999 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: SLC Tornado Foretold in Alphabetics Bible Code

Karen

Thanks for your candid comments.  I feel bad that you (and probably others too) interpreted my comments as having a tone of exulting in the President's plight.

To the extent that I was guilty of this even in the slightest, I am deeply sorry and see your point well that this is completely inappropriate.

You may think it ironic for me to say so, but in times past I have had several dreams about President Clinton which have spurred me to fast and pray for him for extended periods of time.  "What if he could do a King Lamoni about-face, born again, turn over a completely new leaf, because of a miracle of God touching his heart and giving him a change of heart so he no longer has the disposition to sin."

I focuses in this fashion for an entire month one time, back in 1995, fasting for three days and spending an entire day in prayer up in the mountains behind Tucson Arizona.  I had quite an amazing experience in doing this, and am convinced to this day that such a turnabout is entirely possible -- for him or for any person for that matter, be they prominent or not.

I guess what was coming out in my expressions about this discovery of the Alphabetics Bible Code confirming that the plot in Michael Sullivan (Galster)'s book "Blood Trail" being true, was a sense of frustrated triumph in a long battle for the soul of this country.

I have been sickened to see how many times and how many ways slick Willie has been able to weasel his way out of getting caught in a major scandal.  It sickens me to think of the body count that is rising with each day that passes because of this wicked man who is at the helm of this country.  It sickens me that our nation would put up with this man and allow him to stay in office.

So long as he remains a wicked man and does not respond to the invitations of the Spirit to repent and turn his life to God, he is an enemy of God and righteousness and unfit to lead this nation as it breathes its final breaths of freedom before those freedoms are snuffed out completely in the calamities that face us -- at least for that small time, times, and half a time when Satan's armies will prevail prior to the Saints of God overcoming triumphantly.

So on the one hand, I pray for President Clinton, that he might repent and be born of God and turn from his gross wickedness which has jeopardized this nation so precariously.  On the other hand, I pray for President Clinton's exposure as an evil charlatan bent on selling the soul of our nation to a socialist world dictatorship.

Also, by way of clarification, no, I do not believe the code justifies whoever was responsible for infecting the President with AIDS.  It only shows that it actually happened.  I do not believe that it vindicates the crime, though perhaps it does at least lessen the severity of the crime given the motivations.  That does not let the perpetrators off Scott free though.  They will need to give an accounting for taking justice into their own hands, minus due process of law -- which is an important vestige of freedom.

I hope I have clarified myself.

Thanks for your comments.

Sincerely,

Sterling D. Allan

From: Jeanette Skeem <hiddenoasis@hotmail.com>
To: sterlingda@GreaterThings.com <sterlingda@GreaterThings.com>
Date: Friday, August 20, 1999 2:58 PM
Subject: Clinton-Aids/ Tornado posts

Dear Sterling,

I've received [your] post . . . asking people to respond to your Clinton-Aids/ SLC Tornado posts.

I never responded to the Clinton-Aids post, as I figure it was not provable to me conclusively, and I really don't care in the great scheme of things whether he has AIDS or any other despicable thing. Whatever ailment he contracts, it really doesn't matter, as what He has done to this nation and peoples, he will have to account for to our God, in the end. He is so far removed from my realm, that I don't feel I have much impact on many beyond my small sphere of influence. It's something that is despicable--the things our President has done-- to be sure, but the policies he promotes and the corruption he condones, is far more earth-shaking than if he has Aids. At this point in time, I really don't think we are going to stop the Flood of corruption coming from Washington. It's about time for new wineskins for new wine. The time is far spent, there is little remaining....

As for the Alphabetics, I've never really believed or disbelieve The conclusions you have drawn. To me, it looks like one can search on a page of about any book, Lexicon, or whatever and come up with "proof" that one's premise is correct. I also don't feel comfortable with it, as it is so close to seeking for signs, and astrology and such, that I feel it can be dangerous. Most things of God do not have to be proven to know they are true. There are other just as amazing things to me, and right now there is a terrific lightning storm going on, so will sign off for now....

And take care. I don't mean for my words to be harsh. This is just where I'm at.

Jeanette

REPLY
From: Sterling D. Allan <sterlingda@GreaterThings.com>
To: Jeanette Skeem <hiddenoasis@hotmail.com>
Date: Friday, August 20, 1999 4:13 PM
Subject: Re: Clinton-Aids/ Tornado posts

Jeanette,

I don't share your view that there is nothing we can do to stop the flood of corruption coming from so many quarters, especially in our government.  Nor do I share your view that whether or not President Clinton has the AIDS virus is of no real consequence.

First, the severity of the calamities that come upon us when they are unleashed in all their fury, will be a function of how much we have or have not repented as a people.  The more hearts that are turned to God before the calamities, the better off we will be as a whole.

I'm not saying calamities will be turned away all together, yet at the same time, I would not say that such is impossible, for with God, all things are possible.  Certainly he won't cross agency, but he can make bare his arm in miraculous ways so as to touch millions and even billions of hearts.  I like to shoot for evoking the widescale repentance clause, rather than just hunkering down in my own bomb shelter.

As for the prospect of the President Clinton having AIDS and that fact being made known through the word of God encrypted in plain site, it seems to me that the scenario in the book of Helaman in which Nephi predicts the chief leader's assassination as well as the perpetrator.  It wasn't a small deal then.  It was a turning point.

I'm not saying our scenario will be identical.  I'm just saying that things like this have a way of changing the course of history.

I like to think big, rather than just looking at the flies walking around the walls of my bunker.

Your brother in Christ,

Sterling D. Allan

 

JEANETTE'S REPLY
From: Jeanette Skeem <hiddenoasis@hotmail.com>
To: sterlingda@GreaterThings.com <sterlingda@GreaterThings.com>
Date: Friday, August 20, 1999 9:04 PM
Subject: Hunkering down--NOT!

Dear Sterling,

I realize the remarks I sent you may have sounded unfeeling and callous. I think my intent was not understood. I didn't intend to offend. Only to explain my feelings. I'm not saying we should just "hunker down in our own bunker" and go our own merry way, oblivious to what is going on around us. I'm saying that I really don't see what you are trying to say about Clinton. And yes, perhaps you are correct in your studies of words and numbers in various texts, as evidence that God wants us to know that these things are known to Him. To me, I don't need to have those kinds of verifications. There are evidences enough for me, to know where Pres. Clinton is coming from.

I'm saying that I don't have much influence over what Pres. Clinton does or doesn't do, because the major influence I have is right here at home with the people I live with, day in and day out. If I can have an influence on them for good, so that they can go out on their own and also have an influence for good, that is the way I see that I can have an effect. I doubt that me getting on my soap box and telling Pres. Clinton to repent will hardly be heard, even thought someone needs to be doing that, and the American people, as a whole would be rising up in protest of him even being in office and selling us down the tube. I was just trying to say that I would hardly be given audience with him, any more than I could be given audience with the President of the church. Sometime leaders are so high up and unapproachable to the common folk, it seems ludicrous for me to be the one to tell him to repent!

I'm not excusing his behavior. And I'm not saying we should just give up and roll over and say "shoot me". I'm saying that, yes, we should try and warn people, and tell people that they there is a need to repent in order to turn the tide of calamities coming, but I am trying to clean the inner vessel here at home-- to get my own life in order that I may have the Holy Spirit with me, that I may be a guide to the young people in my charge. To me, that is more effective that becoming sidetracked on a bigger scale. Even in my community I really have little effect. One comes to know when others tune out and off. And one who has raised the warning voice long enough is stigmatized to the point that people no longer listen or care to hear what that voice has to say. People accept what they are ready to hear and nothing more.

But here at home, the day in and day out living, rubbing shoulders with the young people in my charge, working and playing together, learning and gaining character by the training they receive--these things will have an effect for good when they are out of my influence. A parents influence is multiplied many times over by the things they are able to teach their children, whether they retain what is good or what is bad, is up to them in the end. Hopefully some of the good will stick.

Some are super women and can do it all, going out into the wide world and having an influence over many, as well as holding down the fort at home. Me--well, I know what my limitations are. Being the wife of a farmer--which takes a lot of time and effort--as well as being a mother and grandmother takes everything I have. As I have raised 5 of our 9 who have gone from home, I can see some of their training standing them in good stead. They are truly good beacons in a vast ocean of shifting values. They are standing for true and just principles. Perhaps mine and my husband's influence and training them in the way of the Lord has multiplied in a way that it might not have been possible had we focused on "out there" and run for public office or whatever. To each his own calling. It is good that there are those who can do both, be a righteous public person as well as a family man/woman at home.

Heaven forbid that I become one who is thought of as one to "hunker down in my own bunker" as far as trying to influence family, friends and neighbors and wake them up to the truth of what is going down. One cannot "feed" the world, but one can start close to home and do what one can do, whether it is write letters, vote for righteous principles and persons, or whatever.

I didn't mean to offend you, in saying that I don't hold to the Alphabetics that much. Perhaps there is something to it. It seems so. So much so, that it is hard to believe.

It is just not something that has caught my attention nor does it cause me to believe in God any more than reading the scriptures, which are plenty of meat for me. When my husband talks Physics, because I am not really interested in that, does not mean there is nothing to Physics! Nor does his study of Hebrew Kabbalah, which he is fascinated with, really draw me in to that with the same passion he has. I don't say there is nothing to that, either. It's just that I don't have time to really study it at this point in my life. One only has so many hours in a day.

So, keep up the good work and the valiant efforts to wake the slumbering by crying repentance. Don't be offended because everyone doesn't share your passion for word studies nor believe in it the same as you. You truly have courage to do what you are doing, and much of what you say is really great.

Take care,

Jeanette

 

STERLING'S REPLY
From: Sterling D. Allan <sterlingda@GreaterThings.com>
To: Jeanette Skeem <hiddenoasis@hotmail.com>
Date: Saturday, August 21, 1999 7:38 AM
Subject: Re: Hunkering down--NOT!

I do not expect everyone to develop the same love of Alphabetics word studies as I have, for each person has his/her own specialty interests as part of the diverse body of Christ.  I guess where my plea for others to take an interest in this amazing phenomenon is not that every last person develop the same proficiency  with it that I have but that at least a small few develop some level of strong interest so that I'm not so alone in forging this new territory.  That is why I was so thrilled with Benjamin's response.  At least he cracked open the books.  He wasn't just talking off the top of his head.

From: John H. Schoppe <LBI@h-squared-o.com>
To: Benjamin (Dex) Devey <dexd@natr.com>; Greater_Things-owner@listbot.com
Date: Friday, August 20, 1999 7:05 PM
Subject: Re: This Day Foretold

Actually, swords work just fine with me!  Dex, Bravo!  Bravo!  Bravo!

John

STERLING'S REPLY:

"He that lives by the sword shall perish by the sword."

JOHN'S  REPLY:

From: John H. Schoppe <LBI@h-squared-o.com>
To: Sterling D. Allan <sterlingda@GreaterThings.com>
Date: Friday, August 20, 1999 10:27 PM
Subject: Re: This Day Foretold

Actually, the wicked shall destroy the wicked and the righteous need not worry regardless of what happens!  But even so,  I would much prefer  a death suffered by an efficient weapon than to be talked to death. ...

From: Doc Hansen <silverado@itsnet.com>
To: Davids_outcasts@listbot.com <Davids_outcasts@listbot.com>
Date: Thursday, September 09, 1999 10:56 PM
Subject: RE: (888) REVELATION & TORNADOS

. . . As for the tornado we had a few weeks ago in SLC....if this wasn't a sign or a warning shot across the bow I don't know what is. The information that queaked out is that there was small amounts of damage from one end of temple square to the other including the temple and then across the street to the new assembly building. Previous to the tornado...a friend of mine had a vivid dream about 2 warning shots before the 3rd was a direct hit on the saints. The tornado was strike one.

nite...

DOC

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