Adam-Michael is God the Father as taught by Brigham Young

From: Portclan@aol.com <Portclan@aol.com>
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Date: Thursday, October 21, 1999 3:53 PM
Subject: Re: {888} ETB

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ETB and God

I have been waiting for the "two" Davids (David S. and cyberbird) to fill in the blank as to "what specific God Ezra Taft Benson worshipped". Perhaps if I had asked "who" he worshipped I would probably have gotten an answer.

Sure… I think your reluctance stems from getting caught without an answer as to who our Father in heaven really is, by someone who knows. So if we can believe that what Ezra Taft wrote in his own writings, and books, then we should all know ( and I am sure we do) that if you were to personally ask him who our heavenly Father is he would unhesitatingly answer: Elohim…would he not Dave and cyberbird?

So I would ask you, what did Ezra Taft, or what do you, base your understanding on…that Elohim is the Father of our spirits, our literal heavenly Father?

If you were to use the SEARCH mechanism in the Infobases CD on the Standard Works (which is accepted by the church as an authentic copy of them) and search for the Word Elohim you will find that you get a big 0, a nothing…no reference to Elohim in any of the Standard Works.

Don’t you find that a little curious? The Standard Works are supposed to be the ultimate in truth and doctrine, yet not a word as to who specifically our Father in heaven is. So where does the idea that Elohim is our heavenly Father originate? Should I wait for an answer on this one from you guys…nah!!

We really have to make up our minds as to who we believe when there is a contradiction of one Prophet with another (purported) prophet. Brigham Young said God (our heavenly Father) is one personage, while Ezra Taft Benson said it is someone else. Since I know that you can not go to the Standard Works to defend the Elohim-God doctrine.

The only other place you can go without entering into personal opinion "doctrine" is the Temple. Which if ultimate knowledge is not found there, then the Temple is not the sacred bastion of truth that present day Latter Day Saints believe it to be. What is paramount, however is, what was originally taught in the Temple before alterations, and changes took place.

Either the truth is eternal or it is not. Either Joseph Smith and Brigham Young were/are true Prophets or they are not. When one goes to the Temple today one gets the impression that Elohim is our heavenly Father, because He instructs Jehovah , and Michael to go down and create an earth, that man may have a dwelling place. Then Elohim creates Adam and Eve (symbolically, there you go Randall-a little grin there from me-) before your very eyes. So there is nothing else in the ceremony to lead you to believe that since He (Elohim) was in charge, that, that makes Him our heavenly Father.

However, in the originally complete Temple ceremony, the meaning of who our heavenly Father is, was quite different. Brigham Young spent quite a bit of time getting the Temple Ceremony systematized, because  previously it hand not been done so. Probably because of the urgency, and persecutions in Kirtland and Nauvoo. What was in the "Lecture at the veil" in the St. George is quite different than what is in the Temple today. Here is what Brigham Young painstakingly had there (at the veil) according to what he had learned from Joseph Smith:  

    "When we got our washings and anointings under the hands of the Prophet Joseph at Nauvoo we had only one room to work in, with the exception of a little side room or office w[h]ere we were washed and anointed, had our garments placed upon us and received our new name. And after he had performed these ceremonies, he gave the key signs, tokens and penalties. Then after we went into the large room over the store in Nauvoo, Joseph divided up the room the best that he could, hung up the veil, marked it, gave us our instructions as we passed along from one department to another, giving us signs, tokens, penalties, with the key words pertaining to those signs. And after we had got through Brother Joseph turned to me (Pres. B. Young) and said, 'Bro. Brigham this is not arranged right but we have done the best we could under the circumstances in which we are placed, and I wish you to take this matter in hand and organize and systematize all these ceremonies with the signs, tokens, penalties and key words,' --I did so and each time I got something more, so that when we went through the Temple at Nauvoo I understood and knew how to place them there. We had our ceremonies pretty correct---In the creation the [G]ods entered into an agreement about forming this earth, and putting Michael or Adam upon it.

"These things of which I have been speaking are what are termed the mysteries of godliness but they will enable you to understand the expression of Jesus, made while in Jerusalem, 'This is life eternal that they might know thee, the only true God and Jesus Christ whom thou has sent.'

"We were once acquainted with the Gods and lived with them. But we had the privilege of taking upon us flesh that the spirit might have a house to dwell in. We did so and forgot all. And came into the world not recollecting any thing of which we had previously learned.

"We have heard a great deal about Adam and Eve, how they were formed and etc. Some think he was made like an adobe and the Lord breathed into him the breath of life, for we read 'from dust thou art and unto dust shalt thou return.' Well he was made of the dust of the earth but not of this earth. He was made just the same way you and I are made but on another earth. Adam was an immortal being when he came on this earth, He had lived on an earth similar to ours; he had received the Priesthood and the keys thereof, and had been faithful in all things and gained his resurrection and his exaltation, and was crowned with glory, immortality and eternal lives, and was numbered with the Gods, for such he became through his faithfulness, and had begotten all the spirits that were to come to this earth. And Eve our common mother who is the mother of all living bore those spirits in the celestial world. And when this world was organized by Elohim, Jehovah and Michael, who is Adam our common father, Adam and Eve had the privilege to continue the work of progression. Consequently [they] came to this earth and commenced the great work of forming tabernacles for those spirits to dwell in. And when Adam and those that assisted him had completed this kingdom, our earth, he came to it, and slept and forgot all and became like an infant child.

"It is said by Moses the historian that the Lord caused a deep sleep to come upon Adam and took from his side or rib and formed the woman that Adam called Eve---This should be interpreted that the man Adam like all other men had the seed within him to propagate his species, but not the woman; She conceives the seed but she does not produce it; consequently she was taken from the side or bowels of her father. This explains the mystery of Moses' dark saying in regard to Adam and Eve. Adam and Eve, when they were placed on this earth, were immortal beings with the flesh, bones and sinews. But upon partaking of the fruits of the earth while in the garden and cultivating the ground their bodies became changed from immortal to mortal beings with the blood coursing through their veins as the action of life---Adam was not under transgression until after he partook of the forbidden fruit; this was necessary that man might be. The woman was found in transgression not the man {{There is much more too this, about women having played an exalted role in this -- SDA}}

"---Now in the law of sacrifice we have the promise of a Savior and Man had the privilege and showed forth his obedience by offering the fruits of the earth and the firstlings of the flocks; this as a showing that Jesus would come and shed his blood. (five blank lines in the manuscript) Father Adam’s oldest son, (Jesus the Savior), who is the heir of the family, is Father Adam’s [F]irst [B]egotten in the spirit world, who, according to the flesh ,is the [O]nly [B]egotten as it is written. In [H]is divinity [H]e having gone back into the spirit world, and came in the spirit to Mary and she conceived. For when Adam and Eve got through with their work in this earth. They did not lay their bodies down in the dust, but returned to the spirit world from whence they came."

(Unpublished Revelations of the Prophets and Presidents of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, Vol. 1 Part 75, also Diary of L. John Nuttall, February 7th, 1877 Special Collections, BYU Library)

As you know the Lecture at the veil today says nothing about Adam being our Father and our God at all. So when did the LDS Church make the switch? The switch from worshipping Father Adam as out God and Heavenly Father to Elohim being our Father and God?

I can tell you when it was. The Lecture was in the St. George  Temple until about 1902 or 03. Joseph F. Smith was President of the Church then, and it was taken out either because he didn’t believe it, or he had political pressure to have it removed. I choose  to believe the latter. Nevertheless it was done.

By removing the Lecture it put a whole different meaning to the Ceremony, and left the impression that Elohim is our heavenly Father. And that is why Bruce R. McConkie, Joseph Fielding Smith, Ezra Taft Benson, and many others teach that Elohim is our Father in heaven. None have claimed that they received a revelation that Elohim is our heavenly Father.

Perhaps Brigham can help you understand who Elohim truly is:

    "Adam was conversant with His Father [note that He did not say OUR Father] who placed Him upon this earth as we are conversant with our earthly parents. The Father [He did not say here OUR Father either] frequently came to visit His son Adam, and walked with Him; and the children of Adam were more or less acquainted with their Grandfather, and their children were more or less acquainted with their Great-Grandfather." (J.D. Vol. 9 pg. 148) 

According to the traditional way of thinking, Adam’s children didn’t have a Grandfather. (Adam was the FIRST physical man). But since Brigham Young knew they had a grandfather, who was he talking about? From the (1877) instructions at the veil, we know that Adam is the Father of our Spirits as well as the father (initiator) of our flesh. That being true, then Adam’s children would not have had a physical grandfather, but they did have a spirit grandfather who was and is Elohim.

We know that Jehovah and Michael were creator Gods because Jehovah says to Michael: "come let us go down and create a world LIKE WE HAVE DONE BEFORE, WORLDS WITHOUT END." {{In other words this is the pattern for creation of worlds when they are created anywhere any time -- SDA}} Under the instructions of Elohim their Father.

Brigham went on to say in one of his addresses:

    "Some years ago, I advanced a doctrine with regard to Adam being our Father and God. That [doctrine] will be a curse to many of the Elders of Israel, because of their folly with regard to it. They yet grovel in darkness, and will. It is one of the  most glorious revealments of the economy of Heaven, yet the world hold[s] it [in] derision. Had I revealed the doctrine of Baptism for the dead instead of Joseph Smith, there are men around me who would have ridiculed the idea until doomsday, but they are ignorant and stupid like the dumb ass." (10/8/1861, Manuscript addresses of Brigham Young)

Don LaMar

From: Sterling D. Allan <sterlingda@greaterthings.com>
To: David's Outcasts <davids_outcasts@listbot.com>; SDA Friends list <SDA_friends@listbot.com>
Date: Friday, October 22, 1999 7:07 AM
Subject: {888} Adam-Michael-God-David, and Elohim our Grandfather(God)

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SUBJECT: Adam-Michael-God-David, and Elohim our Grandfather(God)


Portclan,

Thanks for posting the material about Brigham Young's teaching on Adam-God. It is one of the most clear and concise presentation I have seen on the subject (though I admit that I have not done a great deal of source reading on this, and what I have done was some time ago, so your synopsis was a good refresher for me). 

You will be interested to know that there is a major validation and expansion of this doctrine in the huge parallel I extracted from the entire book of Second Nephi in which the first half lines up with the second half (which is really cool because at any given point you have Isaiah in one column and Nephi or Lehi or Jacob in the other column).   I should mention that I have not yet completed digging this out.  What I have so far runs nearly 100 pages (just scriptures, two columns, lining up the matching texts).

What I have so far begins with II Nephi 2:21 in the left-hand column and II Nephi 18:12 in the right-hand column.  Just four matches in is the following line-up.

In the left-hand text is the phrase, "22 And now, behold, if Adam," and in the right-hand column is the phrase from Isaiah, "13 Sanctify the Lord of Hosts himself."  The pair-up confirms Brigham's teaching that "Adam" is "the Lord," or God.

As the parallel progresses, it tells the story of the fall of Adam, which brought about the possibility for man to come to this earth, though in a fallen state -- for which man might wish to curse Adam, unless they remember that this was actually an act of love because of the provisions that would be made for their redemption, as the Savior, Jesus Christ Messiah would come in the meridian of times to save them from their sins, and then Michael-Adam their Father Messiah, who is one with Christ, would come in the end times as the Davidic Servant (along with the quorum of such) to bring them all back into the garden, as many as would.

That is a pretty amazing plot.

See "The Oneness of Adam-God, Jesus Christ and the Latter-day Messiah-Father"

You might want to peruse the other commentaries in that index as well, as they provide further insight into this amazing cosmic plot, the strange act, the great and marvelous work.

Sterling

From: Portclan@aol.com <Portclan@aol.com>
To: sterlingda@greaterthings.com <sterlingda@greaterthings.com>
Date: Saturday, October 23, 1999 9:21 AM
Subject: Adam-the Davidic servant...hmmmm.

I hadn't made the trip over to your greaterthings website to check on the post I sent into Davidic Outcasts on my Adam-God sermonette. Thank you for cleaning it up so nicely. It really gripes me when something is sent via the email and it comes out all chopped up and appearing disorganized....makes you look like the village idiot (LOL).

I have been pondering, and pondering over your idea that Adam is the Davidic servant. The more I think about it, the more sense it makes. The only thing that initially bothered me about the concept is that I understood that the Davidic servant is to be a descendant of David of old. That according to Avraham  Gileadi's The Last Days (page 61). I'm still wrestling with possibilities on this though. Just for the fun of it, suppose that the Davidic servant rather than being a descendant...is in fact of the lineage of King David. Lineages go both ways; back in the past i.e. ancestors, as well as the future i.e. descendants. If the Davidic servant is of the ----lineage-- of King David then of course Father Adam would be in that linage. By Father Adam AGAIN partaking of the "forbidden" fruit He would have the same physical characteristics as He had in the Garden. He could walk among us, and we would not know who He is, unless He revealed to one, or some of us His identity. Then again after wearing His Davidic servant hat for a while, He goes back to the Eden, partakes of the Tree of Life, -and for those who are there-, would witness the marvelous physics of the Gods. The First shall be Last and the Last shall be First. Father Adam would be the First to go from immortality to mortality...and the Last to go from mortality to immortality via the Tree of Life, that marvelous transformational, Tree of Light. You certainly have given me some "food" for thought.

Have you had a chance to read any of my EL (who is He) paper yet? I think I have a few things in it that make sense, I hope so anyway. Thanks again for posting the Adam-God material on your greaterthings.com website...it is .com-mendable. :-)

Pertaining to Adam/God... Aleph Daleth Mem

From: hawkiye <hawkiye@uswest.net>
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Date: Friday, October 22, 1999 3:19 PM
Subject: Pertaining to Adam/God... Aleph Daleth Mem

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I thought this might be pertinate to the discussion on Adam. Some of you know Wayne he posted this to a board I run quiet awhile ago very interesting
                                     I need to Write a Book about this
ONE word...

by Wayne N. Reeves
< taxplan@manti.com >

Yes, I have learned even more about this "word" Adam in Hebrew, than from the last time we talked....

Recall that each letter in Hebrew and each gemetria in Hebrew teaches many lessons, many mysteries, and as we string the meaning of the letters together, and even dissect the letters, we begin to get a picture of the hidden meanings of the of the word under scrutiny.

In the case of Adam, the word in Hebrew is spelled:
Aleph
Daleth
Mem....

Three letters which also depict the members of the Godhead and their various callings with respect to the Priesthood Calling of Adam....

The first letter, is "Aleph" and appears to be written as a "royal 'N'" which is a backwards "N"... it depicts the throne of God and means in Hebrew, "God the Father" Its number is ONE and it is the first letter in the Hebrew Alphabet, as God is the first causative action in the Universe.

Next, comes the letter, "Daleth", meaning of the earth or Death or "the Pains of Mortality"
Next, comes the letter, "Mem", meaning one who is ordained or set apart, as this is what the word "Messiah" in Hebrew means: "One who is set apart or ordained"....
Thus, as we string these three letters together, we get this meaning as one of many:

"God the Father, Death, Ordained"

Or "God the Father to Death is Ordained"....

Now, the Letter "Mem" also means a "double portion" meaning that this death was to be a two-fold or multiple death...and so it is... Adam was subject to BOTH Physical Death and Spiritual Death, having lost his body in death in the Day of the Lord (less than 1,000 years) and having been shut out of the presence of His Father.

Now, taking it one step further... Aleph is a silent letter, meaning that the name of God the Father is TOO sacred to be pronounced, and when added to a word in Hebrew, is speaking of an attribute or involvement of God the Father with respect to that word.

Thus, if the word Adam was to be written so as to denote only the consonants that "make noise", it would be spelled "Daleth Mem"... meaning "one who has been ordained to death"....

However, by adding the silent letter "Aleph" at the beginning of the word, you add the concept that God the Father has something to do here with Adam... that this person, Adam, is, in fact, God the Father who is carrying out the role of Adam, the "one" who is being ordained to death....

Now, in the word, Adam...

Aleph, of course, denotes God the Father...

Daleth, which is the central to the word and also central to the role and calling of Adam or in other words, "Death and of the Earth", denotes the God that presides over this Telestial World, who is the Holy Ghost....

Mem, which is the final state of Adam, in that he is redeemed by Messiah, denotes the God that redeems...and of course, since there are three letters, the number three denoting the First Presidency of Heaven, you know that Adam is but a representative of the Three who preside in Heaven, he himself being "God the Father" and yet, over him there presides a threesome who will take him through this calling.. which is a pattern of Priesthood Government, as there is NO God who is not subject to His Father....

Thus, in the Garden of Eden, Adam is speaking to His Father, as He is the Only Begotten of His Father... and thus, the generations of the Gods go back into Eternity without end... every God being a Son as well as a Father....

The humiliation of the Son (seeing the Son as a calling in the Priesthood or "Mem") is to be subject to a Telestial World and all of the Pains of Mortality, and yet be pulled through that experience by total reliance on your Father, which is precisely what Adam did... and precisely what Jesus Christ did...

For did not Jesus Christ say that He was only doing what He had seen His Father do? Yes, and where did His Father do that?

Now, if you turn to the Gemetria of the Word, Aleph is equal to ONE
Daleth is equal to FOUR
Mem is equal to FORTY...

It is to say that when you add Aleph and Daleth together, you come to FIVE which is the hidden letter of "Hei", which is the number of Eternal Lives or Endless Increase...

So, how does God the Father or any Son of God accomplish the acquisition of Eternal Lives or Endless Posterity...? Yes, He must come to a Telestial World and work out His Salvation with fear and trembling, relying on the merits of "Mem" or God the Redeemer, to accomplish "Hei" or the acquisition of Endless Posterity, who we are, for we are the Children of God and as we work out our Salvation with fear and trembling, being subject to "Daleth", and yet reaching out to "Mem", we bring upon Father, His Glory, which is "Hei" or Endless Lives... so, it makes you also see that Aleph, which is the Throne of God, from which we derive, could also be included in the Word, "Adam" , making us all as if we are "Adam and Eve"... in other words, the Hebrew word, "Adam" also applies to each of Father's Children, a word that denotes the Endless Rounds of Eternity and Salvation and Exaltation of the Gods...

Thus, the very Word "Adam" in those three letters shows us the Plan of Salvation...

WE come forth from the Throne of God, to be subject to Death, to be redeemed by Messiah....

Could I write a book? Yes, I could...and I'd never repeat myself, for this is the Learning of the Jews... and the genius of the Father in His Perfect Adamic Language, Hebrew but a step below it...

And now, you can see how Joseph Smith, when he translated the Book of Abraham, could write several pages of English words, based on only one Egyptian symbol....

Now, James, my friend, add to what I have written... there are so many other mysteries contained in those three letters of the Hebrew and Adamic word, "Adam".... and when the Temple uses that word, "Adam", they are talking about everyone of us and about our Heavenly Father who blazed the way for each of us, who set the example for us to follow and it is all there in Hebrew....

Wayne


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